Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 19, 2017 Share #41 Posted September 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) not a controlled comparison of course, but these topics should be all about the photos made I think. My own extremely limited try with the Summicron was hand held minimum distance wide open (modelling light bulb only in large parabola modifier. I very rarely shoot like that and the DoF is obviously extremely demanding on technique. My own Summarit I like a great deal. Here @2.8 a bit higher ISO, just natural reflected daylight in a shaded doorway Both images a tiny crop. These are unretouched versions as people may want to peek closely at the detail Is the top one the sumerlux the same as mine and the bottom one the 100mm ??? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hoppyman Posted September 19, 2017 Share #42 Posted September 19, 2017 Not sure how you are seeing my post Neil. Th model with the pink hair was with the Summarit S 120. Was trying to make the point that each lens can produce amazing results and its at least as much about how you use them and what you like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted September 19, 2017 Share #43 Posted September 19, 2017 Lovely shots! You can see the umbrella reflection in the eyes in one photo and the window reflection in the other . I feel that I can recognize the 120's look, but that could be self-deception. For me, the 24, 70, 120 is the perfect three lens set. Big gap at the wide end, but that's how I shoot. Best, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 19, 2017 Share #44 Posted September 19, 2017 . Was trying to make the point that each lens can produce amazing results and its at least as much about how you use them and what you like yea I know that mate........ive taken amazing pictures at a photoshoot with iPhone 7............I'm sticking with my S120 and shoot everything tag sharp.................if I need a softer look I have a preset in PS that can do that.............I don't have a preset in PS that can make a soft shot sharp :) Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 19, 2017 Share #45 Posted September 19, 2017 not a controlled comparison of course, but these topics should be all about the photos made I think. My own extremely limited try with the Summicron was hand held minimum distance wide open (modelling light bulb only in large parabola modifier. I very rarely shoot like that and the DoF is obviously extremely demanding on technique. My own Summarit I like a great deal. Here @2.8 a bit higher ISO, just natural reflected daylight in a shaded doorway Both images a tiny crop. These are unretouched versions as people may want to peek closely at the detail The pink one is really nice. I hope you leave it unretouched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted September 19, 2017 Share #46 Posted September 19, 2017 Lovely shots! You can see the umbrella reflection in the eyes in one photo and the window reflection in the other . I feel that I can recognize the 120's look, but that could be self-deception. For me, the 24, 70, 120 is the perfect three lens set. Big gap at the wide end, but that's how I shoot. Best, Matt Thanks Matt. It is fun to see just what is visible in the eye reflections when you edit at 100% too. If you nail the focus it can be remarkable what's there. Out of interest, the shot of the model with Indian ethnicity was inside a studio at a Leica product workshop. I was standing almost inside a very large studio flash and modifier (about a 3 metre silver octagonal umbrella shaped reflector). The lighting was only the small bulb that shows the general direction of the light and the flash tube was not fired. You can see by the image size (only a tiny crop) the closeness to the model.My model friend in the other shot I have worked with a number of times. This was a workshop too by the way. Standing just inside a doorway without direct sunlight. The reflection you can see in her eyes is the grungy concrete/bitumen car park . So fill from that sunlit ground is most of the lighting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted September 19, 2017 Share #47 Posted September 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The pink one is really nice. I hope you leave it unretouched. Thanks Paul. I prefer to avoid heavy retouching in any case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted October 8, 2017 Share #48 Posted October 8, 2017 having both, I never use the 120. I shoot mostly available light portraits and I like the rendering, the little more light and the little more speed the 100 gives. I hate the hunting of the 120 seeking the focus. The 100 has chromatic aberations, but they are very well designed to enhance the overall result. For me the 120 is the least practical lens in the line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 8, 2017 Share #49 Posted October 8, 2017 Stephan do you have some work online with both lenses as you typically use them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 12, 2017 Share #50 Posted October 12, 2017 Hoppyman, the Indian model in your shot is amazing. Would love to shoot with her. I don't suppose you know her alias on model mayhem etc.? On the topic of 100 vs 120 - I have both but find them both slow to focus. The 120 has long focus throw, tends to go back and forth before it settles. But it has very high detailed sharpness and lovely bokeh. In fact, I consider it the best lens in the whole system, optically. My copy of the 100 is not the fastest to focus, either - just like somebody else wrote earlier, it tends to front-focus first and needs repeated hits of the AF button to get focus right. I communicated with Leica on this topic about two years ago and they acknowledged this issue in their reply as being a generic one for the 100; they were going to fix it through firmware update (nothing ever came out of this, as usual). The 100 has a somewhat different character than the 120; almost like painting with a broader brush - still very sharp but perhaps with more character and gorgeous skin tones (the best I've ever seen, especially with children). Compared to these two, the 180 focuses faster for me and is also a great portrait lens. Not trying to offend any Leica loyalties here: the Fuji GFX with the Fuji 110/f2.0 lens is super for portraits - especially with the automatic face recognition, eye focus and/or multiple focus points scrollable via a joystick. Depending on light levels (but especially so with proper modelling lights - i.e. those on floor pack or monoblock strobes, not the LED ones in battery strobes), these result in a much higher percentage of hits for me than when shooting with the S007/Summicron 100. No focus/recompose needed, you just shoot and shoot; this makes for much better workflow in the studio and frees my mind for better things than worrying about the eyelashes being sharp. I hope Leica come up with something like this in their new S model. https://www.martindrazsky.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 13, 2017 Share #51 Posted October 13, 2017 Hi. The model in the Summicron 100 photo that I posted here is Esha Avantha Naidoo. ( @eshavantha on Insta ). As far as I know she is an agency represented model based on the Gold Coast here in Queensland, Australia.This was an S system demo day organised by Leica Camera Australia. The presenter was Darren Centofanti who is an Australian born fashion photographer long based in India. He uses the S system. As I was the only photographer present who actually already owned and used the same equipment, I shot only very briefly. All the photographers present had a couple of setups to try.I can't comment on AF speed at all with the Summicron as I used manual only (only shot about 20 frames with it anyway). For my 120 the focus method I use is camera on MF and rear button actuation of AFs. If the lens needs to drive from macro end to middle distance / infinity that is slow travel certainly. That's just not the way I use it. I have shot around 5000 exposures with it but this is nearly all in that same scenario in studio where stopped down f/9.5 or so and 1.5 to 2.5 meters or so.The Fuji GFX is another topic I think (and yep has some features I might like to have too but I have never physically seen one.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted November 16, 2017 Share #52 Posted November 16, 2017 Neil, Reading earlier in this thread about your "retirement"!!. I retired three years ago and leading up to the date, I bought what I thought would be just the right kit to last me. I also bought the right vehicle and an extended warranty. What a joke. Since retiring I have acquired the S007 and 5 lens, the SL and 2 lens, traded for 2 M10's and the M28 f2.0. I have traded vehicles three times as well. I will not even go into trading watches.....!!! Bottom line is that I am REALLT enjoying retirement.....!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 16, 2017 Share #53 Posted November 16, 2017 Neil, Reading earlier in this thread about your "retirement"!!. I retired three years ago and leading up to the date, I bought what I thought would be just the right kit to last me. I also bought the right vehicle and an extended warranty. What a joke. Since retiring I have acquired the S007 and 5 lens, the SL and 2 lens, traded for 2 M10's and the M28 f2.0. I have traded vehicles three times as well. I will not even go into trading watches.....!!! Bottom line is that I am REALLT enjoying retirement.....!! Fantastic Bill glad to hear it........ any paqular reason why you ditched the M10Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted November 16, 2017 Share #54 Posted November 16, 2017 Stephan do you have some work online with both lenses as you typically use them? sorry i didn't come back to this thread since some time, you might check my website http://www.steves-photo-art.com Allmost all photos were made with the Summicron 100. The Summicron has more chromatic aberations and is less contrasty (finally it's a more simple formula than the 120), but I love it for practical reasons. Also and even more so on the SL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted November 16, 2017 Share #55 Posted November 16, 2017 Fantastic Bill glad to hear it........ any paqular reason why you ditched the M10 Neil OOPS guess I was not clear, I traded for the M10 bodies. I have both a silver and black. I actually sold a lot of Nikon gear I was not using and also traded a Monochrom 246 on one of them. Too much stuff and too little time....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted November 17, 2017 Share #56 Posted November 17, 2017 Neil, Reading earlier in this thread about your "retirement"!!. I retired three years ago and leading up to the date, I bought what I thought would be just the right kit to last me. I also bought the right vehicle and an extended warranty. What a joke. Since retiring I have acquired the S007 and 5 lens, the SL and 2 lens, traded for 2 M10's and the M28 f2.0. I have traded vehicles three times as well. I will not even go into trading watches.....!!! Bottom line is that I am REALLT enjoying retirement.....!! That is the best retirement story I have ever heard. I can only hope to replicate that some day. Reminds me of that old aphorism, "Man plans [for 'final' camera/vehicle purchase]. God laughs." Best, D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted November 17, 2017 Share #57 Posted November 17, 2017 That is the best retirement story I have ever heard. I can only hope to replicate that some day. Reminds me of that old aphorism, "Man plans [for 'final' camera/vehicle purchase]. God laughs." Best, D I tried, I really tried to stick to my plan. I also have a wife that does not care what I trade for or purchase as long as it is not Porsche. But I do work on that one regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted November 17, 2017 Share #58 Posted November 17, 2017 I tried, I really tried to stick to my plan. I also have a wife that does not care what I trade for or purchase as long as it is not Porsche. But I do work on that one regularly. A significant impediment to retirement is the loss of the most important shipping instructions that can be given -"STO" (ship to office). Even STO would not help with the acquisition of a new Porsche. D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 17, 2017 Share #59 Posted November 17, 2017 A significant impediment to retirement is the loss of the most important shipping instructions that can be given -"STO" (ship to office). Even STO would not help with the acquisition of a new Porsche. D Apart from the car, there are various ways to substitute for STO, at least in the US, e.g., ship to nearest FedEx or UPS location (items are held for free pickup), or to a PO (post office) box (which requires a fee). These methods are even better than office shipment since there are no colleagues or witnesses to tattle. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted November 18, 2017 Share #60 Posted November 18, 2017 Apart from the car, there are various ways to substitute for STO, at least in the US, e.g., ship to nearest FedEx or UPS location (items are held for free pickup), or to a PO (post office) box (which requires a fee). These methods are even better than office shipment since there are no colleagues or witnesses to tattle. Jeff Jeff, I tip my virtual hat to you.... I am a sole practitioner (lawyer). My assistant and I have developed a ritual. Whenever a package arrives by carrier, she brings it into the office and announces, "somebody love you." Indeed, as they are invariably my own purchases. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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