Wojtek Posted September 3, 2017 Share #21 Posted September 3, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The AF isn't superb, but it's fine. It locks focus slower than my Nikkor 50/1.4 but it's accurate when it does. You don't fight for perfect focus, you usually simply get one. The image quality is great, also at 1.4 of course which I use at 70% of my shots with this lens Bokeh is very nice. This lens is pretty big and I prefer it without the lens hood. Great portrait and day-to-day lens. I'll try to post something here soon so you can see the bokeh (that's what I'm after when thinking about the lenses) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 Hi Wojtek, Take a look here 35 Summilux-TL on the TL2?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
michaelbogdan Posted September 3, 2017 Share #22 Posted September 3, 2017 Still, these images are tack sharp! With the slow auto-focus on the Summicron-TL, I’ve been wondering if I’d be happier with the M summilux instead. But then again, the shorter focusing distance with the TL lens gives me more bokeh. What’s you preference?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 3, 2017 Share #23 Posted September 3, 2017 Still, these images are tack sharp! With the slow auto-focus on the Summicron-TL, I’ve been wondering if I’d be happier with the M summilux instead. But then again, the shorter focusing distance with the TL lens gives me more bokeh. What’s you preference?? what pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 3, 2017 Share #24 Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) A few more 35 1.4 FLE shots Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 3, 2017 by ropo54 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351130'>More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 3, 2017 Share #25 Posted September 3, 2017 35 1.4 FLE Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351135'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share #26 Posted September 3, 2017 Thanks for posting these, Rob. The out of focus areas look more to me like the 35 Summilux-M FLE than the 50 Summilux-M ASPH - not that pleasing ... It may be a factor in the focusing distance and the nature of the background - it's not as smooth as I'd like. It may also be a factor that focusing on an object so close, the depth of field is very narrow - so narrow that the entire subject is not in the plane of best focus ... Has anyone got images taken with the TL2 and this lens? (not that it makes a lot of difference, I guess). I'd also be interested in the AF performance with the TL2. Cheers John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 3, 2017 Share #27 Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The out of focus areas look more to me like the 35 Summilux-M FLE than the 50 Summilux-M ASPH - John, Not sure that I understand . . . . The last several were taken with the 35 Summilux M FLE, not the 50 Summilux. Sorry if my posts were not clear. Are you looking for shots with the 35 1.4 TL? Rob Edited September 3, 2017 by ropo54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 3, 2017 Share #28 Posted September 3, 2017 So, these were taken w the T+35 1.4 TL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351206'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Hi Rob, Sorry for the confusion. I was commenting on the quality of the out of focus areas of what I thought were the 35 Summilux-TL images that you posted - I didn't realise that you were posting 35 Summilux-M FLE images. I like the out of focus treatment of the 50 Summulix-M (and the Noctilux 0.95 and the 50 Summilux-SL, actually) - something to aspire to. I never liked the out of focus treatment of the 35 Summilux-M and your images seem to have the same "busy" out of focus treatment. I'm not sure. The 50 Summilux M and SL versions have, to my eye, the preferred bokeh, the 35 Summilux-M not so much; the 28 Summilux-M can be good. The quality of the out of focus areas is subjective, and depends on may things, but to my mind the following is helpful: (1) depth of field - if you want the subject to stand out, you have to ensure that the entire subject is in focus, which may mean selecting a smaller aperture for closer subjects. (2) checking the background - a busy and distracting background will spoil any photo regardless of the strength of the subject or the quality of the bokeh. Similarly, if the light is soft, then the out of focus spots can be more pleasing, whereas bright harsh light can result in less pleasing out of focus areas. (3) understanding the qualities of the lens - many criticise the modern, Karbe designed lenses for being too clinical and having unpleasing bokeh. The blurring of out of focus objects is largely when the circle of confusion is bigger than the subject definition, so you get blurred details. These can be round, oval or polygonal with points of light, depending on the shape of the aperture blades on your lens. My LTM Summitar 50/2 from 1948 has lovely round aperture blades, which gives pleasing out of focus spots, but its spherical design can give weird swirly bokeh that will make you seasick if you're not careful about the background. The transition from in focus to out of focus is also important (to my eye) for a pleasing image - some lenses (50 Summilux-SL) handle this well, others not so much. Again, it is, perhaps, in the eye of the beholder. (4) focusing distance - this can also impact on all of the above. So, what I was looking for is how the lens handles the transition from in focus to out of focus, and what the out of focus areas look like. I guess I would also be interested to see how sharp it is, in practical terms, across the image, as the advantage of the TL2 and SL is to be able to focus accurately off-centre. Cheers John Edited September 3, 2017 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 3, 2017 Share #30 Posted September 3, 2017 John, Here's one taken with the Noctilux earlier today. Rob Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351225'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Hi Rob, As you can see from your Noctilux photo, the selection of focal point and depth of field is important. The leaf in the centre of your picture is crisp, but nothing else is as crisp. The fall-off from in focus to out of focus is nice, and the out of focus areas smooth. I also have this lens, and it is particularly nice on the SL. What I really want to see is images taken using the 35 Summilux-TL 1.4 on the new TL2 camera. I have the TL2, so I can take pictures using the Noctilux and 21-28-50 & 75 Summiluxes myself. Cheers John Edited September 3, 2017 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 3, 2017 Share #32 Posted September 3, 2017 Hi Rob, Sorry for the confusion. I was commenting on the quality of the out of focus areas of what I thought were the 35 Summilux-TL images that you posted - I didn't realise that you were posting 35 Summilux-M FLE images. I like the out of focus treatment of the 50 Summulix-M (and the Noctilux 0.95 and the 50 Summilux-SL, actually) - something to aspire to. I never liked the out of focus treatment of the 35 Summilux-M and your images seem to have the same "busy" out of focus treatment. I'm not sure. The 50 Summilux M and SL versions have, to my eye, the preferred bokeh, the 35 Summilux-M not so much; the 28 Summilux-M can be good. The quality of the out of focus areas is subjective, and depends on may things, but to my mind the following is helpful: (1) depth of field - if you want the subject to stand out, you have to ensure that the entire subject is in focus, which may mean selecting a smaller aperture for closer subjects. (2) checking the background - a busy and distracting background will spoil any photo regardless of the strength of the subject or the quality of the bokeh. Similarly, if the light is soft, then the out of focus spots can be more pleasing, whereas bright harsh light can result in less pleasing out of focus areas. (3) understanding the qualities of the lens - many criticise the modern, Karbe designed lenses for being too clinical and having unpleasing bokeh. The blurring of out of focus objects is largely when the circle of confusion is bigger than the subject definition, so you get blurred details. These can be round, oval or polygonal with points of light, depending on the shape of the aperture blades on your lens. My LTM Summitar 50/2 from 1948 has lovely round aperture blades, which gives pleasing out of focus spots, but its spherical design can give weird swirly bokeh that will make you seasick if you're not careful about the background. The transition from in focus to out of focus is also important (to my eye) for a pleasing image - some lenses (50 Summilux-SL) handle this well, others not so much. Again, it is, perhaps, in the eye of the beholder. (4) focusing distance - this can also impact on all of the above. So, what I was looking for is how the lens handles the transition from in focus to out of focus, and what the out of focus areas look like. I guess I would also be interested to see how sharp it is, in practical terms, across the image, as the advantage of the TL2 and SL is to be able to focus accurately off-centre. Cheers John John I just went through what Leica TL 35mm f1.4 fliker there are on line and there are some nice shots and many shite shots.............I'm guessing its down to human error but I did not see anything WOW like what you would expect to see on say the Summerlux 50 1.4 or the Noctilux or even the 90mm APO..................I also guess its early days for that lens, but I hope to have it in a few weeks time and I will try and get the beast out of it Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share #33 Posted September 3, 2017 Thorsten has some images on his site, and they are nice (unfortunately, relatively small jpegs). Unfortunately, the images which stand out are taken with the Noct and 50 Summilux-SL. Not what I want to hear, as I'd ruled that lens out (I already have three very good 50mm M mount lenses). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volbeat Posted September 4, 2017 Share #34 Posted September 4, 2017 I love the TL-35mm and think it works pretty well on that 'old' original T Breakfast Room in the Town Hall Hotel Tower Bridge & Docklands Champagne all round Tower Bridge at night Tower Bridge all lit up 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 4, 2017 Share #35 Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) John, Perhaps these will be more helpful . . . T+35 1.4 TL Rob Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 4, 2017 by ropo54 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351524'>More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 4, 2017 Share #36 Posted September 4, 2017 35 1.4TL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351530'>More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 4, 2017 Share #37 Posted September 4, 2017 35 1.4 TL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276388-35-summilux-tl-on-the-tl2/?do=findComment&comment=3351531'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 4, 2017 Share #38 Posted September 4, 2017 I love the TL-35mm and think it works pretty well on that 'old' original T Breakfast Room in the Town Hall Hotel Tower Bridge & Docklands Champagne all round Tower Bridge at night Tower Bridge all lit up Darren Did you shoot those night shoots hand held and at what iSO?? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 4, 2017 Share #39 Posted September 4, 2017 EXIF says ISO 1600 Darren Did you shoot those night shoots hand held and at what iSO?? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 4, 2017 Share #40 Posted September 4, 2017 EXIF says ISO 1600 Cool thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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