wlaidlaw Posted August 4, 2017 Share #1 Posted August 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have just bought an M7 with Motor-M The dealer shows the batteries for the Motor-M as: 2 x 2L76 3V Lithium whereas other sources list 2 x 123A. As lithium batteries cannot be sent international post, I ordered through Amazon France 5 x 2L76. Were there two different generations of this Motor-M (not to be confused with the much larger Winder-M), with two different battery requirements The 2L76 batteries are much smaller than 123A and are definitely not interchangeable. See below for images of two batteries. The Motor-M even though it is a current item, does not seem to have a downloadable manual. Can anyone please send me a PDF and I will add it to the store of PDF's I am collecting, which will, in due course, form the Leica-Library.com website, once I have got it up and running. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/275378-manual-for-motor-m-and-what-batteries-123a-or-2l76/?do=findComment&comment=3330391'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Manual for Motor-M and what batteries 123A or 2L76. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
a.noctilux Posted August 4, 2017 Share #2 Posted August 4, 2017 Wilson, the Motor-M 14408 need 2 x 123A batteries. I don't have the manual, even if I do use one Motor-M, but here a link to french site summilux.net for a french manual: http://www.summilux.net/documents/LeicaMotor-M.pdf To inspire your Leica-library site, here is "Documentations Leitz/Leica" of the same site: http://www.summilux.net/documents/index.php Sorry mainly in french . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted August 5, 2017 Wilson, the Motor-M 14408 need 2 x 123A batteries. I don't have the manual, even if I do use one Motor-M, but here a link to french site summilux.net for a french manual: http://www.summilux.net/documents/LeicaMotor-M.pdf To inspire your Leica-library site, here is "Documentations Leitz/Leica" of the same site: http://www.summilux.net/documents/index.php Sorry mainly in french . Many thanks for reminding me of that website. French is no problem for me, as I am fairly fluent in it. The layout of their site just using hot links with a long list, through which you have to search, is an example of how I don't want the library to look. I want the layout to be more logical than this with better indexing and searching facilities. I think it is fair enough to have a site map that looks like Summilux.net's front page, so that if your search does not turn up anything, maybe because you have misspelt the name, then there is a fall back of just looking through a list of every document. I don't think the Wordpress library plug in I am proposing to use is clever enough to allow fuzzy searching and I have blocked Google from searching the site for the moment. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted August 5, 2017 I worked out where the confusion arose. The M7 itself takes 2 x 2L76 lithium batteries or if they are not available 4 x SR or LR44 not the motor. Therefore the pack of 5 I ordered from Amazon France will be just fine. The Motor-M takes 2 x CR123R batteries as folks have advised. I have two part discharged of these taken out of an SF24-D flash when I put in new ones for a long trip. Has anyone tried the RCR123A rechargeable batteries in the Motor-M? I know they did not work in the SF24-D flash, because they triggered an over voltage trip. I have just checked and I have a pair of these rechargeables in an LED torch and will try them in the Motor-M and report. Meanwhile I will put more regular CR123A batteries on order. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted August 7, 2017 I seem to struck out everywhere for an English language Motor-M manual. Leica say they have none left and have lost their PDF. All the usual sources don't have one. There seems to be a site claiming to have one; PDF-Manuals.com but I think this is a scam site trying to get you to install spyware. Surely someone on this forum must have a manual they could either scan for me or lend me so that I can scan it. The French version struck me as having been rather badly translated from the German. Parts of it really seemed not to make total sense to me, although I sort of worked out what they were trying to say. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 7, 2017 Share #6 Posted August 7, 2017 Leica say they have none left and have lost their PDF. What a f-up! I find that hard to believe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted August 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) What a f-up! I find that hard to believe! Jac, I believe the person who told me. He has been very "up front" in previous dealings and meetings with him, with for example, the SL flash problems when it first came out. I suspect the PDF file got lost during the move back from Solms to Wetzlar. It is not that they don't have it, it is just not locatable, probably sitting in some back up or old hard drive in the basement. The Motor-M is no longer made. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 8, 2017 Share #8 Posted August 8, 2017 Wilson, Mine is "Made in Portugal". How about your's ? Maybe contact Leica Portugal . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted August 8, 2017 Wilson, Mine is "Made in Portugal". How about your's ? Maybe contact Leica Portugal . Mine is still in the hands of DHL between Scotland and France. I am guessing they were all made in Portugal, as they did a lot of the mechanical stuff for Leica, metal castings, machining, soldering of the PCB's and so on. I will send an email to Leica Portugal. Many thanks for the information. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted August 14, 2017 Just to let folks know, now that DHL have finally found my M7 and delivered it (well to the centre of the village anyway, where I had to go and find the delivery van), the Motor-M works just fine on freshly charged RCR123A Nitecore rechargeable batteries. This is unlike the SF-24D flash, where the rechargeable 123's (3.8 to 4.0V when fully charged) trip an over-voltage cut out. Luckily this resets with a pair of regular CR123A batteries inserted. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted August 14, 2017 Share #11 Posted August 14, 2017 Is there any advantage in using rechargeable batteries? Other than perhaps being mildly less environmentally damaging? A pair of CR123As in the Motor-M last around 100 rolls of film (which is more rolls than many people put through their Leica cameras during the entire period they own it). It's not like the motor drive on a Nikon F5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted August 14, 2017 Ian, It was just that I had 4 RCR 123A's sitting around, so I thought I might as well use them. The motor actually runs a little quicker with them, I assume due to lower internal resistance of the Lion batteries. I know a few people on the forum (like me) bought the RCR 123A's, when they became available, to use in the SF-24D flashes, only to find they did not work, as their voltage was too high. The other issue is I have ended up in countries where I could not buy the CR123A batteries but if I had a charger with me, I could charge them up. I have a tiny charger for one RCR 123A that runs off a USB connection. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted August 15, 2017 Share #13 Posted August 15, 2017 Pleased to hear your M7 arrived, eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted August 15, 2017 Share #14 Posted August 15, 2017 The other issue is I have ended up in countries where I could not buy the CR123A batteries but if I had a charger with me, I could charge them up. I have a tiny charger for one RCR 123A that runs off a USB connection. Fair enough though you do have to shoot a lot of film to deplete the batteries (easy to forget in an era of digital cameras where changing batteries daily seems fairly normal). You can also use the Motor-M with the motor turned off and just wind the camera as normal (albeit not as quietly). In fact, when I owned the Motor-M I mostly used it that way; only turning the motor on if I was bracketing on a tripod or in a rare situation where I wanted to be able to have the camera wind as quickly as possible between shots. I bought my Motor-Ms new so they were very expensive glorified grips for me but I liked the ergonomics of an M camera plus Motor-M in place and a centred tripod bush is always welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted August 15, 2017 Ian, I was not keen on the ergonomics of the M7 with Motor-M, especially with my favourite portrait lens on, the fairly heavy, 85mm/f1.5, all brass Summarex. I found I could not hold it with my right hand only and focus with my left, as my right hand was just too weak in the open position, ensuing from the handle of the Motor-M. I have now bought one of Steve Barnett's (250SWB) Thumbie's, which I have on most of my M cameras and this has made a huge difference to using the camera, as I can now easily hold it single handed. Also unlike Tim Isaac's Thumbs-up, it does not occupy the accessory shoe. Wilson PS With a serial number of 2888892, this would be a very lucky camera in China Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/275378-manual-for-motor-m-and-what-batteries-123a-or-2l76/?do=findComment&comment=3337352'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted August 15, 2017 How much would it cost to take out a contract on the manager of my local DHL depot in Marseille? DHL, having lost my Leica M7 camera for the best part of a week, last week, have now covered themselves in glory yet again. As the M7 came without a strap, I ordered a nice braided silk and Italian leather strap, from my usual suppliers, Luigi Crescenzi in Rome. They dispatched it very quickly for me, sadly opting to use DHL rather than their usual Fedex. It arrived this morning in Marseille, my nearest airport and DHL depot. "Goody" I thought, "I will get it tomorrow". DHL in their wisdom, not that they have any, have now sent it on to Malta. I suppose that will be another 10 phone calls to DHL to sort that idiocy out Wilson PS Except of course it is yet another holiday day today (Assumption) and DHL's offices are closed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.