Michael Geschlecht Posted July 24, 2017 Share #41 Posted July 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Richard, Welcome to the Forum. 1 of the problems with possible progressive internal corrosion that may be going on in inaccessable areas is that: In the beginning the problem might be slight or intermittent. As time goes by the effected areas or/& mechanisms may become more & more compromised. Sometimes it may be better to have a potential problem in this category looked at sooner rather than later because: Sometimes when the now extrapolated problem has become evident: The previously simpler & easier to remedy problem has now become larger. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Kilmister Posted July 24, 2017 Share #42 Posted July 24, 2017 A few words: I know my M-P240 is supposed to be water resistant. I still tuck it away in rain. I know waterproof trousers are not meant to allow rain ingress. I have worn waterproof trousers while walking the dog and we end up equally wet. I know the sun always shines on the good (and TV) so I must be bad. Life is sh!t and then you die. But at least my camera will be dry. I'm a poet a I don't know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share #43 Posted July 25, 2017 Hello Richard, Welcome to the Forum. 1 of the problems with possible progressive internal corrosion that may be going on in inaccessable areas is that: In the beginning the problem might be slight or intermittent. As time goes by the effected areas or/& mechanisms may become more & more compromised. Sometimes it may be better to have a potential problem in this category looked at sooner rather than later because: Sometimes when the now extrapolated problem has become evident: The previously simpler & easier to remedy problem has now become larger. Best Regards, Michael Thanks Michael. You're right. The 5 year old in me is thinking "It might be fine" and to put it off but you're right, this must be dealt with now and properly by Leica if it is to be worth keeping at all. Anything less and I'll only regret it further down the line. I'll post an update should I have one eventually... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 29, 2017 Share #44 Posted July 29, 2017 So it is resistant to dust coming from all sides and spray coming from an angle of +60/-60 degrees. Not terribly impressive. The key word being resistant! As a user of underwater cameras I can tell you that sealing systems need maintenance and and so they/the camera will require periodic servicing to be effective. So their resistance will depend on many factors including their type, composition and disturbance (ie how often a control is used or part removed). I've seen 'sealed' cameras stop working through water ingress, so even IP designated equipment has limitations and still is resistant rather than proof - making a claim against a manufacturer is also tricky as once the seal has failed, proving it failed with less exposure than an IP designation is near impossible. If an underwater housing leaks (I have been asked to look at a few) the first thing to do is to reset the seals (as a user is expected to do) and retest. To date all have proved to have leaked due to user failure rather than equipment failure (the user didn't seal the housing properly). Whilst the goal of a waterproof M might be desirable I think that a degree of caution will always be required because seals wear. One thing I would say though, is that fresh water shouldn't really cause electrolytic corrosion unlike salt water which is an absolute killer of cameras. Generally its only water with dissolved chemicals in it which causes electrolytic problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 29, 2017 Share #45 Posted July 29, 2017 The potential difference between the light metal of the body (mainly magnesium) and the copper of the prints is so high that even the slightest presence of ions in the water ( and fresh water is not distilled water) will cause electrolytic corrosion. Even internal condensation can be fatal if you are unlucky, as the soldering flux rests on the prints contain strong acids and soluble salts which can contaminate the moisture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share #46 Posted July 29, 2017 Well it's on the way to Leica now. I should know in a couple of weeks what the damage is... And then in a further week hopefully what the insurance company will do about it all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share #47 Posted August 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Update: not economical for repair Just heard back from leica thus afternoon, and then sent off all the details to the insurance company. Hopefully it'll all go smoothly... Have a great weekend guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted August 19, 2017 Share #48 Posted August 19, 2017 That's a bummer, but hopefully the insurance company will replace like for like, or possibly with a new camera. Back to the original post, did you have the hotshoe cover in place? I normally have a thumbsup fitted but I'm conscious the degree of weather tolerance is compromised without the original cover. If rain is forecast I remove the thumbsup and refit the cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted August 19, 2017 Share #49 Posted August 19, 2017 One question: Did you have a half case on the body when the deluge arrived? The reason I ask is because I use a half case most of the time. The standard issue Leica half case has no drain holes. In a torrent that would cause a puddle in the casing which could then interfere with the electronics. If I were to be out in heavy rain I would dump the half case ASAP ... or turn the camera upside down to use the half case as extra protection. Just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted August 19, 2017 Share #50 Posted August 19, 2017 One question: Did you have a half case on the body when the deluge arrived? The reason I ask is because I use a half case most of the time. The standard issue Leica half case has no drain holes. In a torrent that would cause a puddle in the casing which could then interfere with the electronics. If I were to be out in heavy rain I would dump the half case ASAP ... or turn the camera upside down to use the half case as extra protection. Just a thought. That's a good point, I also have a half case and having read this I'll remove it if rain is in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share #51 Posted August 20, 2017 I actually think the half case could be at play here. I'm just on my way out / using my phone, but will write properly tomorrow. Also the hotshoe cover was in place with me, never take it out. It's quite a large terminal so it could be vulnerable, but I would think you could fashion a seal with whatever thumbs up grip thing you put in there (especially if it's something you always leave in) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share #52 Posted August 21, 2017 So some good and some bad news. I think it's basically good news but there is a lesson to be learned here too. The insurance company will not cover replacement for a Leica M10, as it exceeds my policy declaration, which was £5,100 for the Typ 240. I simply went by the market value at the time, for new 240 from a good store. However, I think for the future it may be best to go for a *launch price* of the equivalent model type. There are shades of gray and I can't complain, very glad the insurance company dealt with it swifty and without fuss. It means I'll be able to get a new 240 and keep on shooting, so it's all good. One question: Did you have a half case on the body when the deluge arrived? The reason I ask is because I use a half case most of the time. The standard issue Leica half case has no drain holes. In a torrent that would cause a puddle in the casing which could then interfere with the electronics. If I were to be out in heavy rain I would dump the half case ASAP ... or turn the camera upside down to use the half case as extra protection. Just a thought. I did indeed have a half case on my camera. I tried to keep the camera under my jacket to keep most of the rain off. And at one point I did flip the camera upside down to maybe protect it more. I did wonder if the lack of draining inthe half case could be part of the issue, but I really couldn't say for sure. What I will say is KEEP IT OUT OF THE RAIN! I think a "splash" of rain is fine but heavy rain, try and keep it out of it as much as possible. Mine actually had significant water inside the battery compartment, so to me that suggests the seals just aren't as good as they need to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted August 21, 2017 Share #53 Posted August 21, 2017 It's good to know that your insurance company will fund the loss. If you want an M10 you can always pay the extra ... if you think it is worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share #54 Posted August 21, 2017 It's good to know that your insurance company will fund the loss. If you want an M10 you can always pay the extra ... if you think it is worth it. Very true. The actual difference is quite small. I guess if the insurers had covered it, I would have gone for it, but ultimately I'd probably prefer the longer battery life of the 240 (one of my favourite features, I know, how boring am I). I do like the ISO dial. I think that should have been on every digital M camera. But probably not enough to warrant paying for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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