IkarusJohn Posted August 13, 2017 Share #41 Posted August 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) 36 MP are a blessing. Had it on my d800 before I swiched to Leica M and SL. The one thing I loved most was being able to swich to APSC and still have 18 MP resolution. This meant that I basically had two lenses on when using a prime. A 50 and a 75 for example, at the press of a single button (well, Leica still denies us that custom APSC shortcut, so you need to go through the menu or put it on one of the user presets, but it would be possible to implement in a simple firmware upgrade). Who wouldn't enjoy that liberty for the sole price of slightly bigger files? Cropping in LightRoom gives you the same option. Zoom lenses give you the option of a multitude of focal lengths, while using the entire 24MP sensor ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lazytiger Posted August 16, 2017 Share #42 Posted August 16, 2017 Cropping in LightRoom gives you the same option. Zoom lenses give you the option of a multitude of focal lengths, while using the entire 24MP sensor ... Absolutely. Yet it is a completely different story for me to frame a 75mm on location as compared to framing for 50mm and cropping afterwards. But even if this is different for you, 36mp will give you 50% more resolution for cropping in Lightroom. Zooms give you their variety at a price. Bulk, maximum aperture and rendering characteristics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 16, 2017 Share #43 Posted August 16, 2017 I'd enjoy the freedom of additional time. There are stretches where I have a need for the high resolution but more often than not, I don't. Thus I save time and enjoy my photography as needed by my clients. The APSC toggle is in my favourites menu so switching is relatively quick in just 2-3 seconds for me. At 36mp, I would rather pick a MF like the S system, which I think is more suitable image wise for very large enlargements. My background is 4x5 film, 6x6, 35mm so it's never really left my mental silos that the optics/sensor size do have an impact image wise. Quite probable I'm wrong here in today's context So if Leica were to sell a 50mp SL, I might get one. Nonetheless, 24 mp is a very nice place to be. I recently shot a group picture of 1200 people and the SL seems quite adequate to the task. What time do you mean? CPUs have become so fast and SSDs are available in the Terrabyte region now... Only time issue is the internal camera processor. With 36mp the SL wouldn't be able to do 11 fps. Which I only used once in 2 years for a job. Guess this would concern most photographers only on paper. Having enjoyed the 36 on the d800 for almost 2 years it is the only thing I really miss since I swiched to SL. So for me it was great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted August 24, 2017 Share #44 Posted August 24, 2017 What time do you mean? CPUs have become so fast and SSDs are available in the Terrabyte region now... Only time issue is the internal camera processor. With 36mp the SL wouldn't be able to do 11 fps. Which I only used once in 2 years for a job. Guess this would concern most photographers only on paper. Having enjoyed the 36 on the d800 for almost 2 years it is the only thing I really miss since I swiched to SL. So for me it was great. Very true about speed of the current CPUs and SSDs. I do turn in 2-3000 images in a single day's shoot, so my backups and archives do balloon. A week's work, 1 TB of 24mp files. Speedy or not, it becomes an issue of efficiency to search for old files and backups. My clients come back to me for images that date back to 1999 when I started archiving my images. So it's not just the process of capture nor post processing only but the whole chain may buckle under that strain Much as I like mf files, I enjoy capturing the moment more. So it's not resolution that appeals to me so much as nice, memorable images for my clients. I'm not that great a photographer, so I got to work harder : ) 36mp doesn't do the job better than a 24 mp when all they need is 12"x18" or 24x36 prints. And I've printed larger from M8 files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 24, 2017 Share #45 Posted August 24, 2017 Very true about speed of the current CPUs and SSDs. I do turn in 2-3000 images in a single day's shoot, so my backups and archives do balloon. A week's work, 1 TB of 24mp files. Speedy or not, it becomes an issue of efficiency to search for old files and backups. My clients come back to me for images that date back to 1999 when I started archiving my images. So it's not just the process of capture nor post processing only but the whole chain may buckle under that strain [emoji14] Much as I like mf files, I enjoy capturing the moment more. So it's not resolution that appeals to me so much as nice, memorable images for my clients. I'm not that great a photographer, so I got to work harder : ) 36mp doesn't do the job better than a 24 mp when all they need is 12"x18" or 24x36 prints. And I've printed larger from M8 files. I completely see your point. I'm exposing much smaller amounts of pictures and would like to have resolution for cropping, using APSC lenses or to be competitive to MF when it's about large prints. So a 36mp camera would be fantastic for me and probably not so much for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted August 25, 2017 Share #46 Posted August 25, 2017 That's not to say I don't need 36mp or higher but when it's needful, I appreciate that the system will have a tool for me. So it's better then for me to have a higher mp SL than a S camera (good as it is). And to expand on the SL universe, hopefully Sinar/Leica can add a technical camera that's designed for a 35 sensor. A P4 with 75mm frames and Rodenstock lenses that I can bring into the field matched with a TL2. Shoot jewelry in secure locations with a tiny setup. Nice! Honestly when I saw the SL and it's specs, I thought this is it. This is what the next generation of pros will need. The 24-90 and 90-280 I saw as pure genius. I could do 100% of what is needed for the current bread and butter work. The needs do trend for me. At one time, it was 90% 4"x5" work for 12 years! Maybe Leica can buy Profoto and then I can have the connectivity I'm enjoying with my Canons now and Leica can have better flash expertise in their DNA. And I also thought through and said not for me : ) I'm too old to deal with all this stuff ... then I got myself an SL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 25, 2017 Share #47 Posted August 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24MP isn't enough to avoid aliasing and moire in fine feather detail when using a superior lens such as the 280/4 R APO or the 90-280 SL APO. The 42MP of the Sony a7rII almost completely eliminates the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted August 25, 2017 Share #48 Posted August 25, 2017 24MP isn't enough to avoid aliasing and moire in fine feather detail when using a superior lens such as the 280/4 R APO or the 90-280 SL APO. The 42MP of the Sony a7rII almost completely eliminates the problem. Very true! And unlike products where moire also occur, animals are not amenable to minute changes according to our desires Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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