Chaemono Posted June 12, 2017 Share #21 Â Posted June 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think this is pretty good for handheld... Â I have pretty steady hands I guess (I'm a neurosurgeon) Â 90mm, 2.8, 1/80th, ISO 6400 Â Â Nice shot. See this article here: Â https://improvephotography.com/37091/minimum-shutter-speeds-for-handheld-shooting-the-definitive-answer-to-how-slow-can-you-go/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fang Posted June 12, 2017 Share #22 Â Posted June 12, 2017 Has anyone tried combining both Peak Design SL2 Slide Strap and the CL-2 Clutch hand-strap ? Â I am thinking of doing that. Â Any opinions it seems to be the best of both worlds ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share #23  Posted June 12, 2017 Lovely shot, although 1/80 for a 90mm focal length isn't too difficult for hand holding. With the SL90-280's image stabilization, you should be able to get good results even down to 1/30 second @ 90mm.  That said, "my sharpest lens is a sturdy tripod" has never done me wrong when I was looking for best results...  Agreed... but you have to actually take the tripod with you That seems to be my problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted June 12, 2017 Share #24  Posted June 12, 2017 Has anyone tried combining both Peak Design SL2 Slide Strap and the CL-2 Clutch hand-strap ?  I am thinking of doing that.  Any opinions it seems to be the best of both worlds ?  OK ....... but the bottom piece is long and has to be fixed to the supplied small square tripod supplied plate to work. I ...... and many others use the RRS full plate and there is no fixation point for the loop except at the strap end of the plate and then the whole combo is too long and can't be tightened enough. The small supplied plate looks a good solution but in use is a bit of a nuisance as the camera is unbalanced when you set it down on its base and is really too small as a tripod plate for the SL + Zooms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted June 13, 2017 Share #25 Â Posted June 13, 2017 To the OP, prior to the SL 90/280 I pretty much used a tripod with anything over 100mm. Â However, I've found the IS in the lens to be so good that I often use it hand held without a strap, even at 280, with really acceptable results. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakly Shanidze Posted June 13, 2017 Share #26 Â Posted June 13, 2017 I think this is pretty good for handheld... Â I have pretty steady hands I guess (I'm a neurosurgeon) Â 90mm, 2.8, 1/80th, ISO 6400 Â Â Â Good shot, yet this is not something that is difficult to do while handheld. It gets much trickier when you have to work with a constantly changing moving scene with several planes of focus and all above 200mm. Something like this: Â http://www.clients.shanidze.com/home-2/galleries/gallery/les-ballets-de-monte-carlo-romeo-et-juliette Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 13, 2017 Share #27 Â Posted June 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it necessary to turn off IS when using a tripod with the 90-280? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 13, 2017 Share #28 Â Posted June 13, 2017 Is it necessary to turn off IS when using a tripod with the 90-280? Â Â It is recommended. Whether it affects results depends on a lot of different variables so a definitive answer to "necessary" doesn't exist. Â I always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 13, 2017 Share #29 Â Posted June 13, 2017 Is it necessary to turn off IS when using a tripod with the 90-280? I've had poor experience with long exposures on a tripod with OIS on. It drifts. I haven't tried short exposures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted June 13, 2017 Share #30 Â Posted June 13, 2017 I find this lens very easy to shoot on the SL handheld, especially using the accessory grip, and even just with an RRS plate. It is not at all front heavy with either of those (for me... I appreciate this is subjective). Â That said, if you're shooting low shutter speeds then surely a tripod is the answer... can't really imagine needing anything else for this lens. It's not especially big, heavy or unwieldy. It doesn't change length when you zoom or focus. It's very naturally balanced with conventional technique. It also has OIS. Â If you find the 90-280 unwieldy on the SL then I expect you'll find just about any lens on any camera where your left hand does most of the stabilising uncomfortable. I would highly recommend that you consider trying the battery grip if you're just worried about the relatively small body with the big lens... it has a number of functional advantages, especially for vertical composition, and extends battery life and feels very solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakly Shanidze Posted June 13, 2017 Share #31  Posted June 13, 2017 That said, if you're shooting low shutter speeds then surely a tripod is the answer... can't really imagine needing anything else for this lens. It's not especially big, heavy or unwieldy. It doesn't change length when you zoom or focus. It's very naturally balanced with conventional technique. It also has OIS.    Even a monopod does the trick. Considering how good the stabilizer is, the monopod is in many ways more convenient than a tripod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antigallican Posted June 13, 2017 Share #32 Â Posted June 13, 2017 Good shot, yet this is not something that is difficult to do while handheld. It gets much trickier when you have to work with a constantly changing moving scene with several planes of focus and all above 200mm. Something like this: Â http://www.clients.shanidze.com/home-2/galleries/gallery/les-ballets-de-monte-carlo-romeo-et-juliette I love the one with four dancers flying through the air towards the insouciant character. Great timing on their part of course but fantastic timing on yours. I presume you knew it was coming and were prepared? But still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted June 13, 2017 Share #33  Posted June 13, 2017 Even a monopod does the trick. Considering how good the stabilizer is, the monopod is in many ways more convenient than a tripod.  Exactly, only handheld or with a light monopod - because then there is also no need to turn off OIS. This is why I love this lens despite its size (and because balance and length is constant). This lens is REALLY progress for me.  Before that I often used the Canon 5Ds + 100-400 IS II. It is also very convenient and replaces any 70-200 for me. But since I have the SL 90-280 there is nothing comparable anymore. I wonder what I will do when the Summicron SL 90 arrives - small but no OIS, and limited to 90. It is possible that I will continue with the 90-280 even though it is so much bigger. (I wonder if the 90 will be fast enough by comparison and wonder why the 75 is not there, yet. Maybe they struggle with constructing a fast AF for the primes ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakly Shanidze Posted June 14, 2017 Share #34 Â Posted June 14, 2017 Exactly, only handheld or with a light monopod - because then there is also no need to turn off OIS. This is why I love this lens despite its size (and because balance and length is constant). This lens is REALLY progress for me. Â Before that I often used the Canon 5Ds + 100-400 IS II. It is also very convenient and replaces any 70-200 for me. But since I have the SL 90-280 there is nothing comparable anymore. I wonder what I will do when the Summicron SL 90 arrives - small but no OIS, and limited to 90. It is possible that I will continue with the 90-280 even though it is so much bigger. (I wonder if the 90 will be fast enough by comparison and wonder why the 75 is not there, yet. Maybe they struggle with constructing a fast AF for the primes ?) Â Do not forget, 90 is f/2. Most of the time you won't need OIS. Also, for portraits its smaller form factor is really important. A huge beast of a 90-280 most of the time is not what helps establish a psychological connection with a subject Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 14, 2017 Share #35 Â Posted June 14, 2017 I've found the 90-280 is really a lovely lens for tabletop and product work, one of the reasons I use it on a tripod so much. I just upgraded my tripod head with the new A-S p0 Hybrid for its geared precision in framing, something that was getting me a little crazy with just a ball head, particularly with such a long lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted June 14, 2017 Share #36 Â Posted June 14, 2017 I've found the 90-280 is really a lovely lens for tabletop and product work, one of the reasons I use it on a tripod so much. I just upgraded my tripod head with the new A-S p0 Hybrid for its geared precision in framing, something that was getting me a little crazy with just a ball head, particularly with such a long lens. Â May I ask where you bought the p0 hybrid? I haven't seen it available from the usual US suppliers (like B&H) yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 14, 2017 Share #37  Posted June 14, 2017 May I ask where you bought the p0 hybrid? I haven't seen it available from the usual US suppliers (like B&H) yet.   I bought it direct from Rod Klukas, the Arca-Swiss US rep in Arizona:  Arca-Swiss, Inc Rod Klukas, US Representative PO Box 28450 Tempe AZ 85285 Main: 480-755-3364 Mobile: 480-206-4770 rod.klukas@arca-swiss.com  Just send him an email, he's very responsive and helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted June 14, 2017 Share #38  Posted June 14, 2017 I have to say that the additions to the p0 do fly in the face of the wonderful simplicity of the original design ...... and at double the price......  For critical macro and architectural work I can see the benefit ..... but for general use it is an unwanted complication...... even one handed adjustment is accurate and easy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 14, 2017 Share #39  Posted June 14, 2017 I have to say that the additions to the p0 do fly in the face of the wonderful simplicity of the original design ...... and at double the price......  For critical macro and architectural work I can see the benefit ..... but for general use it is an unwanted complication...... even one handed adjustment is accurate and easy   Exactly. That's why I have both. I have two sets of legs, which address different purposes, and two heads, which also address different purposes. To make it easy to use the right set of legs with the right head for what I have in mind, I also installed a pair of Arca-Swiss QuickLink mounts and plates on the legs and heads. For tabletop, copy, and macro work, I found the p0 alone somewhat frustrating to get the camera and lens aligned precisely were I wanted it. That's what the p0 Hybrid is great at: fast to get close, easy to zero in with precision. But it adds unneeded weight and complexity over the p0 when it comes to field work and more casual pursuits.  I have had other heads (now for sale) but this is a better setup because now my two heads have the same basic controls and differ only where the one has more capabilities when I need them. I'll get more use out of the two sets of legs too because it's quick to swap between them as appropriate for the task.  The only downside is how much all this stuff costs. But I attempt to mitigate that by selling off the equipment I no longer need, and overall I've had success selling off more than I have kept because what I've kept fulfills more needs. It's not quite a net-zero balance, but it's close enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share #40  Posted June 15, 2017 Good shot, yet this is not something that is difficult to do while handheld. It gets much trickier when you have to work with a constantly changing moving scene with several planes of focus and all above 200mm. Something like this:  http://www.clients.shanidze.com/home-2/galleries/gallery/les-ballets-de-monte-carlo-romeo-et-juliette  WOW!!! Those are great... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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