tardegard Posted September 26, 2018 Share #101 Posted September 26, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am gonna ask Yes I know. But Leica only started to use the new-gen sensor from June 2015 onwards. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2017/05/leica-issues-update-on-ccd-corrosion/ I'd say there is a good chance that this M9 is still sporting the original-type. Does the shop tell you when in 2015 the sensor was replaced? the guy has to ask Leica, but he seems to remember it was summer..... bah! don't know.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rus Posted September 26, 2018 Share #102 Posted September 26, 2018 I am gonna ask Yes I know. But Leica only started to use the new-gen sensor from June 2015 onwards. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2017/05/leica-issues-update-on-ccd-corrosion/ I'd say there is a good chance that this M9 is still sporting the original-type. Does the shop tell you when in 2015 the sensor was replaced? the guy has to ask Leica, but he seems to remember it was summer..... bah! don't know.... If you know the SN you can perhaps send an email to LEICA CS yourself, which might be faster? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 26, 2018 Share #103 Posted September 26, 2018 If you know the SN you can perhaps send an email to LEICA CS yourself, which might be faster? who knows, I'll give it a try, thank you though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 26, 2018 Share #104 Posted September 26, 2018 They answered at Leica. This M9 has the latest sensor installed. So no corrosion risks. Just dead pixel (Leica guy actually told me the camera has been serviced also for dead pixels in 2017) what would you do in my shoes......? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverchrome Posted September 26, 2018 Share #105 Posted September 26, 2018 They answered at Leica. This M9 has the latest sensor installed. So no corrosion risks. Just dead pixel (Leica guy actually told me the camera has been serviced also for dead pixels in 2017) what would you do in my shoes......? Dead pixels are a fact of life on Leicas. I think only my recently overhauled M9 doesn't have them, but I haven't really looked and don't intend to either. There is no guarantee that the next M9 you look at won't have dead pixels. At least the seller has been upfront with you and disclosedthat fact. Provided the dead pixels don't cause lines across images, I wouldn't have a problem with them. Digital Ms aren't the same as the film Ms. Make sure you have a contingency fund to deal with any problems that might arise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted September 27, 2018 Share #106 Posted September 27, 2018 They answered at Leica. This M9 has the latest sensor installed. So no corrosion risks. Just dead pixel (Leica guy actually told me the camera has been serviced also for dead pixels in 2017) what would you do in my shoes......? Will you be able to take test shots with this camera before deciding? If so, it might be worth doing just to see the extent of the dead pixel issue in real terms. And I agree with what silverchrome has said about putting aside a contingency fund for any potential problems, at least for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 27, 2018 Share #107 Posted September 27, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Will you be able to take test shots with this camera before deciding? If so, it might be worth doing just to see the extent of the dead pixel issue in real terms. And I agree with what silverchrome has said about putting aside a contingency fund for any potential problems, at least for a while. Hi Rus, no chance to put my ands on the camera. It is located in a city far from here. I do believe the dead pixels are just 2 as claimed. The shop has fame to be a reliable and pretty serious one indeed. But this camera is the only one they sell without any warranty. And this makes me think (and worry). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted September 27, 2018 Share #108 Posted September 27, 2018 Hi Rus, no chance to put my ands on the camera. It is located in a city far from here. I do believe the dead pixels are just 2 as claimed. The shop has fame to be a reliable and pretty serious one indeed. But this camera is the only one they sell without any warranty. And this makes me think (and worry). Ah I see. How about asking them to take some test shots for you then? IMHO, if the camera is otherwise fully functional at the moment, and if the shop is willing to say unequivocally that there are no hidden flaws that they know about, then it may still be worth considering, provided that you are still entitled to return it to the shop for a full refund within certain days of purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share #109 Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) well, overall conditions seem pretty good, they offer camera, 3 batteries and a leather half case for 1700 euros. I got an M9 used with new sensor and RRS grip and plate for $1700 USD from a good brick&mortar shop. Edited September 27, 2018 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 27, 2018 Share #110 Posted September 27, 2018 I got an M9 used with new sensor and RRS grip and plate for $1700 USD from a good brick&mortar shop. Wow. Good for you, Pico. Prices in Europe are a little bit higher though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share #111 Posted September 27, 2018 Wow. Good for you, Pico. Prices in Europe are a little bit higher though. Yes, which is unfortunate. I will remember that. Good luck with your new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 30, 2018 Share #112 Posted September 30, 2018 too late guys, he sold it days ago.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 30, 2018 Share #113 Posted September 30, 2018 One more thing guys. Is a sensor replaced in August 2015 safe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted September 30, 2018 Share #114 Posted September 30, 2018 Yes I know. But Leica only started to use the new-gen sensor from June 2015 onwards. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2017/05/leica-issues-update-on-ccd-corrosion/ I'd say there is a good chance that this M9 is still sporting the original-type. Does the shop tell you when in 2015 the sensor was replaced? August 2015 should be fine, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted September 30, 2018 Share #115 Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) August 2015 should be fine, right? I'd think so. But I don't know if the June-2015 division still applies in every case if say the turnaround time happens to span over this time. The best thing to do to determine the type of sensor used in the replacement, from what I've gathered from reading the posts in this forum, seems always to be to ask Leica directly. Edited September 30, 2018 by Rus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted September 30, 2018 Share #116 Posted September 30, 2018 I'd think so. But I don't know if the June-2015 division still applies in every case if say the turnaround time happens to span over this time. The best thing to do to determine the type of sensor used in the replacement, from what I've gathered from reading the posts in this forum, seems always to be to ask Leica directly. Oh and, to that I should like to add that, for me, the hardware ID seems still a pretty good indication already. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted October 1, 2018 Share #117 Posted October 1, 2018 Oh and, to that I should like to add that, for me, the hardware ID seems still a pretty good indication already. . Argh. I am afraid this is no good. CCD ID:12 CCD Board ID:2 Control Brd ID:2 M16C ID:0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted October 1, 2018 Share #118 Posted October 1, 2018 . Argh. I am afraid this is no good. CCD ID:12 CCD Board ID:2 Control Brd ID:2 M16C ID:0 This does seem more likely to be the original type. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardegard Posted October 1, 2018 Share #119 Posted October 1, 2018 This does seem more likely to be the original type. I sent serial to Leica as you suggested, they say it is a first replacement sensor. So not safe. They asked me to see a DNG closed aperture file though. Who knows why.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted October 1, 2018 Share #120 Posted October 1, 2018 I sent serial to Leica as you suggested, they say it is a first replacement sensor. So not safe. They asked me to see a DNG closed aperture file though. Who knows why.... I think they were trying to see if there was any sign of corrosion on this sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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