ramarren Posted April 10, 2017 Share #61  Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) of course...here..some motivation for you. lol  Alex, where did you get that wrist leash? It looks very nice! --- Ah, I see the question was asked and answered a little later in the thread. Got it ... thank you! Edited April 10, 2017 by ramarren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest VVJ Posted April 10, 2017 Share #62 Â Posted April 10, 2017 That's what bothers me... why not use that money for a CaNikon, Leica M or some other mirrorless option? I'm not sure what the SL offers other than disappointing zoom lens and that EVF :/ Â The only problem with that disappointing zoom lens is that it is optically so good people might not buy primes anymore... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted April 10, 2017 Share #63 Â Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) The only problem with that disappointing zoom lens is that it is optically so good people might not buy primes anymore... +100 Edited April 10, 2017 by AlexP 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted April 11, 2017 Share #64  Posted April 11, 2017 This was my point in an earlier post. I have carried the SL and 24-90 all day for travel/street, and decided to stick to the M for that usage in future: just too heavy  Hopefully rather sooner than later there will also be 28mm or 35mm walkaround lens, at least I remain hopeful...  If Hasselblad can deliver a 417g medium format lens of high quality why would Leica not be able to do the same for a smaller sensor format...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matnz Posted April 11, 2017 Share #65 Â Posted April 11, 2017 I don't mind the size of the SL body, in fact I think a lot of mirrorless cameras like the E-M1 are too small and so I have often added some extra height to the camera with a JBDesign grip. Â With the right lens, I think the SL is fine as a walk about camera, the only current issue is that the 24-90 is quite big (but optically brilliant). So if I am happy to be restricted to one focal length I have to either go manual focus, use an adapted AF lens or go for a TL lens and accept the crop. Â I don't mind MF, but there are times when having AF is preferable. Â I generally don't like mucking around with adapters for AF with sometimes flakey compatibility. What I would really like is a nice summarit 35 and 50mm that has fast AF but is smaller and lighter, and I hope this will eventually come down the road. Â In some ways Leica is doing the reverse of Olympus with their lens roadmap by coming out with larger 'reference' or pro lens first. Â Imagine the complaints with m4/3 if Olympus/Panasonic had initially released the 25mm 1.2 and 42.5mm 1.2 Â instead of the 25mm and 45mm 1.8's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted April 11, 2017 Share #66 Â Posted April 11, 2017 About the four new SL lenses. Â http://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Lenses/4-Neue-SL-Objektive?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_eng_gb/145895 Â It seems the three Summicron's 35/75/90mm will share their bodies. I suppose only their weight and lens hood will be different. Â I am glad Leica didn't do the same for the M Summicron's. Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 11, 2017 Share #67  Posted April 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hopefully rather sooner than later there will also be 28mm or 35mm walkaround lens, at least I remain hopeful...  If Hasselblad can deliver a 417g medium format lens of high quality why would Leica not be able to do the same for a smaller sensor format...?   Will you buy an f/4 lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted April 11, 2017 Share #68 Â Posted April 11, 2017 One thing I don't like SL zoom lens variable aperture. You pay premium price but can't get the max f stop through out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 11, 2017 Share #69  Posted April 11, 2017 About the four new SL lenses. http://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Lenses/4-Neue-SL-Objektive?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_eng_gb/145895 It seems the three Summicron's 35/75/90mm will share their bodies. I suppose only their weight and lens hood will be different. I am glad Leica didn't do the same for the M Summicron's.  That's actually pretty similar to the R lenses. Between 24, 35, 50, 60 Macro, and 90 mm lenses, although not "the same" lens body, they're pretty darn similar in physical size and vary mostly in weight and hood. 100 Macro and 135mm is where the physical body gets longer. Leica is doing a more consistent job of styling the SL lenses to look the same. I kinda like this about the R lenses.  M lenses are a very different game: they've been in production for so long that there are a host of different styles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted April 11, 2017 Share #70 Â Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Will you buy an f/4 lens? Â I believe they can do better but I would totally buy a native f4 lens provided it was lightweight and excellent image quality. Â Edited April 11, 2017 by JorisV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 11, 2017 Share #71  Posted April 11, 2017 One thing I don't like SL zoom lens variable aperture. You pay premium price but can't get the max f stop through out.  A 90-280mm f/2.8 would be massive, as would a 24-90mm f/2.8. Olympus did this with their FourThirds SLR system: they produced a standard High Grade lens series—mostly zooms—that had variable aperture and covered the range in much the same way Leica is doing with the SL. 14-54/2.8-3.5, 11-22/2.8-3.5, and 50-200/2.8-3.5. All excellent performing, pro-grade lenses. They came out with their Super High Grade ultra pro lenses later ... 14-35/2, 35-100/2, 90-250/2.8 ... and even for FourThirds format they were massively large and heavy. AND very pricey too.  Leica could do the same, but I don't know who's going to buy lenses that are bound to be MUCH larger and even more expensive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 11, 2017 Share #72 Â Posted April 11, 2017 I believe they can do better but I would totally buy a native f4 lens provided it was lightweight and excellent image quality. Â Â Well, for 35mm format, you need more speed to have adequate control of DoF. f/2.8 for most lenses is a practical necessity, never mind the current vogue and market mindset that considers f/2 to be "slow" ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted April 11, 2017 Share #73  Posted April 11, 2017 Well, for 35mm format, you need more speed to have adequate control of DoF. f/2.8 for most lenses is a practical necessity, never mind the current vogue and market mindset that considers f/2 to be "slow" ...  Perhaps I should buy the Summaron f5.6...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matnz Posted April 11, 2017 Share #74 Â Posted April 11, 2017 One thing I don't like SL zoom lens variable aperture. You pay premium price but can't get the max f stop through out. Â With the floating iso, I have found the variable aperture to be a non-issue for both stills and video, where it is usually a major pain when shooting manually with a fixed shutter speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matnz Posted April 11, 2017 Share #75 Â Posted April 11, 2017 The issues with the X1D are going to be resolved soon. The problem was getting it out if the gate after a huge delay. Hardware before firmware was the choice. Â The latest firmware, while shooting RAW only has significantly reduced lag. I find only the focus speed needs improvement to being it to SL and Q class AF. Â The X1D is what the SL should've been IMO. Much easier and quicker to use in the sense that it's much more Leica M like than the SL. Instant access to manual focus while in auto mode. No buttons to press and hold. AE-L is a dream in that it stays pressed so no need to hold. Manual 10x is like the M - just turn the focus and it magnifies. No buttons to press. Â And the pictures it takes leave me speechless. The tonal gradation, IQ and 3D depth are spectacular. Suffice to say my SL has been given to my son who loves buttons. And weight and size. Â So my stable is the M10 and X1D. Â With the AF + MF, i just use the SL in manual focus mode and use the back joystick press to activate AF when needed, that way MF is always on and you have AF on demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 11, 2017 Share #76  Posted April 11, 2017 Perhaps I should buy the Summaron f5.6...?    I've been tempted by that lens too. I never mind the shorter wides being a bit slow on an RF camera ... I tend to use them stopped down more than that anyway. But lenses in the 35-50-70-90 range I usually want faster for more control possibilities.  I'm pretty happy with the lenses I have already, I doubt I'll be buying much more at this point. Better to enjoy and use what I have... I've got the range from 15mm to 360mm covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted April 11, 2017 Share #77 Â Posted April 11, 2017 That's the real USP for the SL, the ability to use a very wide range of lenses from many manufacturers. As a 'digital back' it makes a lot of sense. Â I don't think the SL makes any sense for anything other than Leica lenses when other manufacturers make such affordable and capable 'digital backs' for their lenses. Â Want to use the excellent Canon 35f1.4 or one of their tilt shifts? Get a 6D for $1500. Ahh, but you also want to use Nikkors. Simple, get a Nikon D610, also at $1500. You've still not spent half the cost of the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted April 11, 2017 Share #78 Â Posted April 11, 2017 What a stupid suggestion, but simply do it if you like it, nobody minds. But I have a better solution. Probably not even you are so foolish to follow your own advice, you are just suggesting it to others. Very nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 11, 2017 Share #79 Â Posted April 11, 2017 I don't think the SL makes any sense for anything other than Leica lenses when other manufacturers make such affordable and capable 'digital backs' for their lenses. Â Want to use the excellent Canon 35f1.4 or one of their tilt shifts? Get a 6D for $1500. Ahh, but you also want to use Nikkors. Simple, get a Nikon D610, also at $1500. You've still not spent half the cost of the SL. Just what I want to do - carry all them bodies around, as well as the lenses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 12, 2017 Share #80 Â Posted April 12, 2017 Just what I want to do - carry all them bodies around, as well as the lenses! Not to mention becoming proficient in three different bodies' capabilities, controls, and use... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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