The camera needs to cool down before it can be used.

[nico1974]

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I have been using the M10 with the EVF quiet extensively in room temperature (around '22C) and have not come across the issue 

[Surge]

Indeed. You've probably all read this interview with the key designers?

http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2017/02/the-leica-m10-a-discussion-with-stefan-daniel-and-jesko-von-oeynhausen/

 

They talk about how "challenging" heat management was. Hopefully this M will handle everything you can throw at it, from the heat of the Sahara to the humidity of Kuala Lumpur.

 

I am on he waiting list for one, but will be monitoring this topic. If there is a heat management issue, it likely will be very difficult to fix.

[pico]

Take the battery out and put it in direct sunlight until it is  hot.

Reinsert. Does the warning show up?

 

See, we are trying to narrow down the source which might not

be the CPU.

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The heat messages have not occured again and I've taken more photos, deleted them and scrolled through the menu so I'm hoping that's the end of it.

 

If it is going to be a problem then it's going to show up later next month when I'll be giving the camera a good holiday workout .

[-ph-]

If the camera's body feels warm, this is not necessarily a sign that interior parts (sensor, processor etc.) are warmer than normal. If you feel it from the outside, the warmth will be dissipated to the exterior - which will cool down the interior. On the other side interior parts may get dangerously hot, and you don't feel anything from outside, because the warmth is stored up in the crucial parts.

If the heat source is inside the camera, it still always will be warmer in the inside than on the surface. But temperatures which would be impossible to hold, are still fine for most electronics - CPU temperatures of 70° and higher are no concern for example.

 

Peter

[Herr Barnack]

Heat issues? Can I justify an M10 or two as hand warmers?

It does get cold here.

 

You know pico, a pair of M10 cameras would be much more affordable than frostbite amputation surgery - and much less painful.  It's all about cost effectiveness and being fiscally practical, right? 

[pico]

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You know pico, a pair of M10 cameras would be much more affordable than frostbite amputation surgery - and much less painful.  It's all about cost effectiveness and being fiscally practical, right? 

 

oooh, I know a guy here who lost all his fingers above the first knuckles due to frost bite. He's unemployable now due, in part, to his lack of skills beyond manual work. He spends 3pm to closing at a bar. Bummer.

 

Being fiscally practical for me is to have warm clothes. But hey, should I get something like mitten clips in the sleeves for the M10s?

[dempski]

I have felt the camera get warm when using live view with the EVF for long periods of time.  But I have not had the error message about it overheating.  I just shut it off for a while.  

[Tailwagger]

I experienced the overheat message this morning for the first time.  This incident was rather odd as the message appeared on first use of the camera this morning and after no more than a minute or two of operation, perhaps one or two shots.  I was near the shore at 6:30 AM with a light breeze and ambient temp of around 80F.  In no way the Sahara. I do run the camera in EVF Only mode and did notice at the time that the battery side felt a little warm, though nothing like hot. Just shut the camera off as instructed, turned it back on within a couple of seconds and shot for another hour or two with no further messages or issues.  

 

The one potentially interesting observation is that this was the first outing with a brand new backup battery that received its first charge the previous evening.  One wonders if perhaps some of the issues we're hearing about are due to a bug or flaw related to power supply/management/regulation.  In reading up a little on Li-ion batteries, there are apparently are some critical aspects in manufacturing and quite a bit of complex work related to how they discharge.  Dunno, but I'll likely mark each battery and see if any pattern emerges.     

 

Is the OP still seeing the problem? Anyone else?

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_{I've not had the message again. But the camera did have to go back to Leica for a month to have the rangefinder adjusted and so it's not been used for some time.}

 

_{As I posted previously the message appeared when I would have thought the camera and battery were 'cold' not after extended use.} 

[riswanc]

I have this message once while I was shooting at night but normal setting like iso1600, speed 1/60

 

It wasnt humid, and more like room temperature 22-26 degree C

 

The nite before i was shooting at the same place, shooting slow speed 8s which i believe should generate greater heat, instead it was flawless with no heat message

 

Just weird, turn off and on again

 

It was oke

 

 

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[tom24]

Hello

 

Is this problem with overheating M10 caused by a bad battery?

 

A few days ago, I had a similar problem.

Twice I got a warning about heating M10. After switching off and restart, it worked normally.

 

When I changed the battery, this problem did not appear anymore.

I used the second battery from 100% to 15% of power without any problems.

 

So I'm wondering if this problem maby occur because of bad batery?

 

The battery is half an year old and goes to testing in Leica.

 

Thanks.

 

T

[mdemeyer]

I suspect a bug. Mine has done it twice in 5 months, both times not in hot conditions, camera cool, and cleared by power cycling.

[zakzavada]

I shoot weddings professionally using an m10 and a q. I've had this issue 4-5 separate times in about ~25 weddings, it generally resolves itself fairly quickly after a power cycle and switching to the q for a few shots. 

[BLECHdosenM3]

Does it have to be a Q?

[anickpick]

Yes. Ask 007.

[pedaes]

My "new" 2/52 M10 has done this a couple of times, on the first time I took it out (and with some photography friends which gave them a bit of a laugh knowing what they cost!) . The first was on trying to take the first shot of the day in ambient temperature of 9C. The camera worked immediately after switching it off and on. It had nothing to do with the temperature of the camera, irespective of the message.

 

Perhaps it is me and German electronics. My latest BMW had a total failure on the second day I had it because a electronic module was faulty. Been 100% fine since it was fixed, so I know these things happen  and patience and good humour is required. BMW did present us (unasked) with a Spa day for two as a "sorry', and to be frank I am not expecting even a mention of "sorry" from our Leica friends.

[brill64]

This has happened to me two times without warning already on a charged battery. The camera just stops working but is okie again after switching it off & back on again immediately. The battery felt quite warm when taking it out with the sd card to download when I got back home. A little worrying when you're working hard on something. I have two batteries so will check now to see if its happening only with one or both of them.

[willeica]

I have had no battery lock ups with my M10, but I have had a lot of them with my M240 since I got it in 2013. Sometimes firmware upgrades for the M240 got rid of the lock ups for a while, but they always came back. So far the M10 has been my most reliable digital M.

 

William

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[pedaes]

I have had no battery lock ups with my M10, but I have had a lot of them with my M240 since I got it in 2013. Sometimes firmware upgrades for the M240 got rid of the lock ups for a while, but they always came back. So far the M10 has been my most reliable digital M.

 

William

 

Good to know all ok with yours. I would not describe it as a battery 'lock up'. The camera locks with a specific message on the rear screen. You just do what it says - switch camera to 'off'. You do not have to take battery out a la 240.

In my case it was switch off and straight back on without hesitation and it was good to go, so a definite false warning message/locked shutter. 

I think I may have charged and used the second battery I bought with the camera, so there may be a duff batch of batteries out there.