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[Lord Lucan]

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I'd love it if Meyer Optik would make this lens with an M mount, especially if they 6-bit coded it.

 

http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/lenses/object-desire-meyer-optik-nocturnus-50-f0-95-ii/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDN%20Newswire%20Newsletter%20Template%2003162017%20(1)&utm_content=#

Another solution,

If you like Meyer Optik 50mm 0.95 lens,the easiest thing to do is to stick a Sony FF body and start using it.

[michaelwj]

You mean, other than the $8,000 price differential?

 

From what I've seen and read, the lens has an excellent build quality, focuses smoothly and performs well both wide open and stopped down. I'd be delighted to put that lens in my bag for $3,000. As good as the Noctilux is, I just can't bring myself to drop $11,000 on a single lens.

 

I already own the 50mm Summilux asph and love it, but the bokeh of the Meyer Optik 50 Nocturnus is so nice I could see using it for a variety of projects.

But like I said, there are plenty of other super fast 50s in M mount. The difference between 0.95 and 1.1 is less than half a stop, you wouldn't even notice a vignette that dark. Is it just the bokeh, or something else that warrants the $3k when you can get a used f/1 Noctilux for $5k or a voigtlander f/1.1 for $1k?

[Peter H]

Nope . . . some may also prefer going faster from 45-70, which can be a sweet spot! Getting to the light faster, maybe, but ducking in and out of traffic can be quite thrilling. Some cars can do it, others cannot. The driver, though, can use the Porsche as he chooses - it can do both - and that is the thrill and beauty of driving the car. "Turning it on" when one wants to!

 

The noctilux does bokeh "uniquely", but it also can be quite a performer as a regular 50mm lens. So, it is similarly talented as the Porsche is talented.

 

To each his own. If one is content accelerating smoothly and going with the flow, more power to him. If one wants the thrill of speed (or incredible braking!) at the time of his choosing, no reason to criticize him.

That's s terrible analogy since using a very fast lens may at worst be boring but it doesn't really affect anyone else, whereas driving a Porsche like a prick and diving in and out of traffic like you describe, does.

[ropo54]

That's s terrible analogy since using a very fast lens may at worst be boring but it doesn't really affect anyone else, whereas driving a Porsche like a prick and diving in and out of traffic like you describe, does.

 

A driver having the 'necessary' power to pass in and out of traffic, and knowing how to use one's power, actually can be safer than one who does not know how to drive one's vehicle within the capacity of its limits, and as such drives "like a prick" (as you describe). Sometimes those who are driving too slowly in the "fast lanes" should be courteously in the slower lanes, no?

 

I am sure you can offer something more positive to the discussion regarding a noctilux than you have done so here.

[Peter H]

A driver having the 'necessary' power to pass in and out of traffic, and knowing how to use one's power, actually can be safer than one who does not know how to drive one's vehicle within the capacity of its limits, and as such drives "like a prick" (as you describe). Sometimes those who are driving too slowly in the "fast lanes" should be courteously in the slower lanes.

 

I am sure you can offer something more positive to the discussion regarding a noctilux than you have done so here.

 

 

Using braking power in excess of the ability of other cars around you in order to duck in and out of traffic, which you called "thrilling", not only has nothing to do with good driving, or the bad driving of slow cars in the fast lane,  but is not a good analogy for using a fast lens and tells us nothing about photography.

[ramarren]

I'd love it if Meyer Optik would make this lens with an M mount, especially if they 6-bit coded it.

 

http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/lenses/object-desire-meyer-optik-nocturnus-50-f0-95-ii/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDN%20Newswire%20Newsletter%20Template%2003162017%20(1)&utm_content=#

 

 

If I am going to go for an ultra-ultra fast 50mm lens, I'll just hunt up a Noctilux 50mm. 

[ropo54]

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Using braking power in excess of the ability of other cars around you in order to duck in and out of traffic, which you called "thrilling", not only has nothing to do with good driving, or the bad driving of slow cars in the fast lane,  but is not a good analogy for using a fast lens and tells us nothing about photography.

 

 

A talented photographer, when given tools with multi-dimensional capabilities, can maximize his craft in the way he so chooses. A driver with a Porsche (as an example) can maximize the capabilities of what his car can do. Discourteous driving is discourteous under any circumstance - going too fast or going to slow. Weaving in and out of traffic may or may not be discourteous; it is circumstantial. 

 

Do not buy a Noctilux if you have no use for the creative possibilities it affords you.

 

You can make a Noctilux slower, but you cannot make a slower lens faster! 

[fotografr]

Another solution,

If you like Meyer Optik 50mm 0.95 lens,the easiest thing to do is to stick a Sony FF body and start using it.

That's not a solution for me since I much prefer the Leica rangefinder system and have no intention of abandoning my MM or M10.

[fotografr]

But like I said, there are plenty of other super fast 50s in M mount. The difference between 0.95 and 1.1 is less than half a stop, you wouldn't even notice a vignette that dark. Is it just the bokeh, or something else that warrants the $3k when you can get a used f/1 Noctilux for $5k or a voigtlander f/1.1 for $1k?

I've been reluctant to come right out with this because I am not a Leica basher and this is, after all, the Leica User Forum. However, what makes the Meyer Optik version so appealing is that everything I've seen and read strongly indicates that the Nocturnus is equal to the Noctilux in build and image quality across the entire f-stop range, yet has a list price nearly $8,000 lower.

 

The only problem at this point is that it is not made with an M mount. If it ever is, I'll be one of the first in line.

[fotografr]

If I am going to go for an ultra-ultra fast 50mm lens, I'll just hunt up a Noctilux 50mm.

And that's fine, as long as you don't mind spending several thousand dollars more just to have the name "Leica" stamped on the front of the lens. Are you saying that if you could get the same performance for thousands less, you wouldn't do it?

[Exodies]

Has this tread become advertainment?

[pico]

A talented photographer, when given tools with multi-dimensional capabilities, can maximize his craft in the way he so chooses.

 

Such nonsense.

 

"A talented photographer, when given tools with multi-dimensional capabilities, can maximize his craft in the way he so chooses."

 

A talented individual can make compelling imagery with any photographic technology, and what does multi-dimensional mean?

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[ropo54]

Such nonsense.

 

"A talented photographer, when given tools with multi-dimensional capabilities, can maximize his craft in the way he so chooses."

 

A talented individual can make compelling imagery with any photographic technology, and what does multi-dimensional mean?

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The noctilux can render bokeh differently than other cameras. It can also be used 'more traditionally' when stopped down. That is how I would define "multi-dimensional". 

[pico]

The noctilux can render bokeh differently than other cameras. It can also be used 'more traditionally' when stopped down. That is how I would define "multi-dimensional". 

 

Any lens can render bokeh in various presentations, and they can also give 'traditional', sharp images when stopped down. Look at the history of lenses going back into the 1800's.

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[ropo54]

Any lens can render bokeh in various presentations, and they can also give 'traditional', sharp images when stopped down. Look at the history of lenses going back into the 1800's.

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If you think there is nothing unique to the Noctilux rendering at 0.95, or that it allows for a different creative look, or that all lenses offer equally creative opportunity, you are welcome to your opinion.  (I suppose in the same way that a Cadillac offers a different ride than a Porsche, taking it back to the car analogy, but you are not likely to win the Indy 500 in the Cadillac).  This is a rather silly pissing contest, don't you think?  

[Guest]

Has this tread become advertainment?

No! Or it would stick out.

[pico]

If you think there is nothing unique to the Noctilux rendering at 0.95, or that it allows for a different creative look, or that all lenses offer equally creative opportunity, you are welcome to your opinion.  [...]

 

All lenses have a unique rendering at their widest aperture where corrections are most difficult, and of course each renders differently. Promoting the Noctilux at  0.95 simply expresses your opinion. Everyone has an opinion. Some promote the Noctilux lenses because they are so expensive their opinion springs from the pain of purchase; they have blown their budget on the lens and experience nothing other.

 

FWIW, I use Summilux 35mm V2, Canon 50mm 0.95, 50mm, a 50mm F1.1 Sonnetar, and in larger formats such lenses as those for the Super Ikonta 6x9,  Imagons for 4x5" and some rare Euroscops to 8x10". To know these lenses one has to use them.

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[Lord Lucan]

That's not a solution for me since I much prefer the Leica rangefinder system and have no intention of abandoning my MM or M10.

I didnt advise you to give up RF. But I admit that I use other cameras besides M.

[Lord Lucan]

........that everything I've seen and read strongly indicates that the Nocturnus is equal to the Noctilux in build and image quality across the entire f-stop range, yet has a list price nearly $8,000 lower.

 

Any references please?

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[fotografr]

Any references please?

I have to assume anyone participating on this forum is computer literate enough to do their own Google search. That's what I did to reach my conclusion prior to starting this thread.

 

And in answer to a prior question someone asked about whether this thread was turning into an advertisement, no it is not. I read about the lens in Photo District News and it interested me. I thought others here might share that interest. Unfortunately it seems difficult to carry on conversations here very long without having them turn into a dogfight. I'm moving on and have nothing more to add on this topic.