Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #681 Posted July 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) A full frame iPhone? I rather doubt that. How many of those cameras generate heat warnings like the M10 does? Relativity, Jaap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #682 Posted July 12, 2017 It is indeed a bit cramped in there: cutaway.jpg Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269227-m10-sorry-no/?do=findComment&comment=3314552'>More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 12, 2017 Share #683 Posted July 12, 2017 I think iPhone 7 size is big enough for MF sensor. ... with big fresnel lenses in the front of course. If it gets hot then you can use it as pocket warmer. Think about the possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #684 Posted July 12, 2017 too cramped? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269227-m10-sorry-no/?do=findComment&comment=3314556'>More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 12, 2017 Share #685 Posted July 12, 2017 It is indeed a bit cramped in there: cutaway.jpg I don't buy the comparison. Sony A7 had heat issues with 4K video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2017 Share #686 Posted July 12, 2017 It is indeed a bit cramped in there: cutaway.jpg There is a bit of difference there. An integrated lens/sensor unit and the lack of a rangefinder generate quite a bit of space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #687 Posted July 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't buy the comparison. Sony A7 had heat issues with 4K video. Had. Past tense. Meanwhile, film makers use them in droves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #688 Posted July 12, 2017 There is a bit of difference there. An integrated lens/sensor unit and the lack of a rangefinder generate quite a bit of space. Rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 12, 2017 Share #689 Posted July 12, 2017 Had. Past tense. Meanwhile, film makers use them in droves. Yes. This is why I am hoping Leica may solve heat issue. But then we don't have folks lined up asking for video in M, therefore, maybe not. But it is correct that compactness of the body does create engineering design challenges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #690 Posted July 12, 2017 It is indeed a bit cramped in there: cutaway.jpg Great rangefinder in that iPhone, too. Jeff More cramped in here yet video is working fine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269227-m10-sorry-no/?do=findComment&comment=3314593'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 12, 2017 Share #691 Posted July 12, 2017 More cramped in here yet video is working fine. Well, you might as well show the inside.... https://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-and-digital-backs/61956-hasselblad-x1d-teardown-doesnt-look-very-neat-compared-against-sony.html By the way, there have been reports of the X1D getting hot, some claiming the body acts as a heat sink. There's a heat warning in the user manual. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2017 Share #692 Posted July 12, 2017 Thanks for that, Jeff. It really looks messy, even compared to the M8. Anyway, imagine a rangefinder unit on top... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #693 Posted July 12, 2017 Well, you might as well show the inside.... https://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-and-digital-backs/61956-hasselblad-x1d-teardown-doesnt-look-very-neat-compared-against-sony.html By the way, there have been reports of the X1D getting hot, some claiming the body acts as a heat sink. There's a heat warning in the user manual. Jeff It shows it's more cramped. Overheating cameras is pretty common, and every time I read about it, it eventually gets solved with firmware. Look - the point is, Leica can say a whole bunch of rubbish, what ever they want, but fact remains the M10 does not have usb or video and the SL does. I'm not buying either and I hope Leica oust the monkeys that have over run Wetlzar and/or regain control of their senses and put it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2017 Share #694 Posted July 12, 2017 Rubbish Rubbish flubbish. A mere factual observation. I am the one who was most vocal about the loss of video in the M10, remember? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 12, 2017 Share #695 Posted July 12, 2017 Sorry, but the comparison is specious. Apples to Avocados. You seem to utterly discount the fact that there's an OVF with mechanical RF linkages. At least a quarter of the body is devoted to that. And the cameras you cite have grips. Or do you think they are hollow? Slice the protrusions off the sides and slap on the ends and clearly there is a lot more volume for the camera electronics. Look at the front view. The area available in those bodies for electronics substantially taller, once you realize that the top of the Leica is devoted to RF. That doesn't excuse Leica if the cameras have problems, mine showed the message once, and I havent seen it since. Personally I think its some how related to new batteries. But the true measure is not the size of the camera but the overall volume available for electronics. Fair to compare these to an SL or Q, but get back to us when the 'blad or sony has a RF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2017 Share #696 Posted July 12, 2017 It shows it's more cramped. Overheating cameras is pretty common, and every time I read about it, it eventually gets solved with firmware. Look - the point is, Leica can say a whole bunch of rubbish, what ever they want, but fact remains the M10 does not have usb or video and the SL does. I'm not buying either and I hope Leica oust the monkeys that have over run Wetlzar and/or regain control of their senses and put it back. Err... The cramped bit is not what Leica said. They said it was left off because we did not like it. By the way, in that case, I want to say a heartfelt thank-you to the anti-video lobby on this forum who managed to deny serious users a feature that did not get in their way in any sense in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 12, 2017 Share #697 Posted July 12, 2017 More cramped in here yet video is working fine. Comparing dimensions like this is useless. You need to compare displaced volume. Here is how you do it: - Take a big kitchen utensil and fill up with water to the brim. Drop M10 (and repeat with X1D) into the water and collect the spilled water. - Compare the volume of the spilled water. Let us know which is more. OH.. and to compare apples with apples, take out RF unit from M10 first so that we compare only the mirroless components. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #698 Posted July 12, 2017 Rubbish flubbish. A mere factual observation. I am the one who was most vocal about the loss of video in the M10, remember? Come now, you know I love you Jaap. I did smiley and everything. I know that, but it seems you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. They should actually rename that Leicaitis. It is rubbish. Everyone can put video in a small camera except for Leica. Everyone can have usb in their camera except Leica. Even leica puts video in and USB in their dinky and dumpy, hand polished by a virgins nan TL. It's a joke and it's about as funny as prizing your own teeth out with a butter knife (actually you would probably still be good at that but it still wouldn't be funny), or a fart in a lift at best. If it weren't for the fact these things were in the camera and being relied on by people it wouldn't be an issue. No warning, gone. USB has been there since the M8. All this silly money spent on lenses and bodies and I can't even use the camera in the way I need to now. "Just buy an SL" they say! They will continue pulling these ridiculous stunts so long as people keep throwing their money at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 12, 2017 Share #699 Posted July 12, 2017 Comparing dimensions like this is useless. You need to compare displaced volume. Here is how you do it: - Take a big kitchen utensil and fill up with water to the brim. Drop M10 (and repeat with X1D) into the water and collect the spilled water. - Compare the volume of the spilled water. Let us know which is more. OH.. and to compare apples with apples, take out RF unit from M10 first so that we compare only the mirroless components. I was thinking more like - take kitchen utensil and fill with water, drop Leica in - take wallet to camera store - give money to shop - take home Fuji GFX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2017 Share #700 Posted July 12, 2017 And drop that in water... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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