Chaemono Posted January 23, 2017 Share #161 Posted January 23, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Quite interesting ISO comparison on Reid Reviews. Looks like M10 is doing better a bit at 6400 but all above this level is not usable as well as on M240. For me its very important. In the link below, the third image is at ISO 10000. I downloaded these from dpreview. The fourth image is a version processed in LR with automatic corrections, WB adjusted, and just default sharpening and noise reduction. The fifth is a version processed in C1 with just the automatic corrections applied and WB as shot. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KqjDRN/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jhluxton Posted January 23, 2017 Share #162 Posted January 23, 2017 The M10 sounds interesting but having only bought my first M (262) in October I will not be thinking about another M for at least three years. Time now to build up a collection of lenses and accessories. If it had been available earlier I might have chosen it. Reason why I went for the M262 rather than an M240 was because I virtually never use video and if I do need it I have a V-Lux3 and X-vario. No point paying for something I didn't need. The ISO dial is a useful feature though as I often change ISO and a dial is better than pushing a button. So perhaps when I am ready to move up it will be to the M12! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted January 23, 2017 Share #163 Posted January 23, 2017 The release of the Leica M10 pushed me to purchase my first digital and new Leica along with my first Leica Lens, the 50 Summicron. The M10 is the best digital Range Finder on the market. I wish, just a little, I could swap between OVF and EVF in the VF. Sony has really spoiled me and then seeing Leica's loupe implementation has me wishing. I do wish I had USB cable access to the camera. Not really sure why this was not implemented. I don't care about tethering but it is a fast way to get images off the camera without removing the bottom plate. That is my only real disappointment with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 23, 2017 Share #164 Posted January 23, 2017 Several comments here and elsewhere refer to posters' disappointments with the sensor's alleged meagre pixel count. But maybe we should consider which higher pixel count sensors (if any) were actually fully developed and available at the time the M10 was initially conceived. Just because there might have been a few, it does not follow that manufacturers would have been prepared to supply them … and any available might not have passed the Leica design criteria tests … and Leica's potential demand may not have met a potential supplier's minimum order numbers. Also, there is so much in the pipeline as regards sensor development that any manufacturer might be 'waiting in the wings' for the next generation - rather than using something which could be obsolete / old hat within e.g. 12 months. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted January 23, 2017 Share #165 Posted January 23, 2017 Several comments here and elsewhere refer to posters' disappointments with the sensor's alleged meagre pixel count. But maybe we should consider which higher pixel count sensors (if any) were actually fully developed and available at the time the M10 was initially conceived. Just because there might have been a few, it does not follow that manufacturers would have been prepared to supply them … and any available might not have passed the Leica design criteria tests … and Leica's potential demand may not have met a potential supplier's minimum order numbers. Also, there is so much in the pipeline as regards sensor development that any manufacturer might be 'waiting in the wings' for the next generation - rather than using something which could be obsolete / old hat within e.g. 12 months. dunk I find 24MP to be "just right" for me. I have there Sony a7 cameras, a7/a7ii/a7Rii and on my trash can Mac Pro I sometimes get aggravated at the a7Rii files being so large. Sometimes I am happy because I have to crop. :-) Regardless, 24MP is a good spot to be in from my POV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omalat Posted January 24, 2017 Share #166 Posted January 24, 2017 I like the slimness of the M10 but to trade in my M9, I would be paying about €1000 per millimetre saved.The screen is much better but still no match for the screen on my mobile phone.So when Leica makes an M10 with no attached screen that can transmit to my mobile screen, I will be first in line to buy one.Still love the M9. The 240 never felt right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2017 Share #167 Posted January 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The extra 2-stops it has over the 240 is very tempting (and half stop on the SL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted January 24, 2017 Share #168 Posted January 24, 2017 No, a rangefinder isn't what I need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiedi Posted January 24, 2017 Share #169 Posted January 24, 2017 I am glad Leica is moving in a better direction as far as size and naming. I have always thought the model names, i.e., Type 240, 262, etc. was so inane. Plus where do the "Type xxx" digital Ms fall in the M line? Bastard children I suppose. I have 2 film M's and a digital M-P (T/240) to keep me happy. I have seen that Leica has already registered "M11" so I feel this M10 is a transitional model. And as technology continues to decrease in size, I am hoping that M11 is even more thinner and almost M4 in size. I think I will take a more serious look at the next model. But I'll be expecting Leica to introduce an M10-P in a year or two. Then the M11. I do like the WIFI feature of the M10. The iso dial but 50,000 iso seems unusable why bother? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted January 24, 2017 Share #170 Posted January 24, 2017 I've had a mk1 M Monochrom since August 2012 and I use it a lot. Four and a half years later, it remains a fantastic camera, and I can use it in all lighting conditions, with superb results. In April last year it was fully serviced at the Wetzlar factory, rangefinder adjusted, the new sensor was installed, and I wasn't charged a penny. I'm still delighted about that - it adds value, makes me cherish the camera even more, and helps to make it feel more like a prized possession than a disposable consumer product. The new M10 looks like just the most perfect digital M - really well thought out. Improved in every way. I'd love to have one as a companion to my M Monochrom, but I'm not a wealthy man, and couldn't afford one any time soon. Perhaps in a few years I might be in a position to buy the M10-P, with the sapphire screen. I do wish we could just accept that sapphire is the best option available (there isn't a single mark on my M Monochrom screen, despite heavy use) and fit it as standard to every digital M. If I had an M with the Gorilla glass screen, it would likely always be at the back of my mind that it wasn't as scratch-resistant as sapphire. I don't mind the red dot, but a non-sapphire screen, to me, is something which stands out as a slight compromise. And a digital M is so expensive. But, that aside, yes - I expect I'll eventually buy an M10 variant at some point. And bravo - it looks superb. A proper M in every way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Posted January 24, 2017 Share #171 Posted January 24, 2017 My first Leica digital was an M9 it has less than 8000 clicks the sensor went out at 4k and its back to Leica for the failed shutter. I have a M3, M4-P and M6 that are still in use and have never been back for service. I have Nikon digitals with over a quarter million clicks (D2's) when I see what Leica is willing to do on the M9 will determine whether Leica digitals have a place in my photography or not. They had it for over a month now and no word since the email that they received it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprintmedley Posted January 24, 2017 Share #172 Posted January 24, 2017 A most impressive camera from the early descriptions and reviews. I will stick with the Leica Q (and D810 and X-T2) - the M and it's lenses are just tooooo expensive for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted January 24, 2017 Share #173 Posted January 24, 2017 I'm sure the M10 is a fine camera, but it's still not a compelling upgrade for me. I use my M-P for landscape use, for which it's very good, and very portable. But I would like a Leica that at least matches my Nikon D800E for resolution. What's the point of having lenses that have very high image quality and compactness if the sensor resolution partially limits lens performance? Also I do use the EVF and Live View for tripod and some handheld use, but the delay in use is quite irritating. It sounds like the blackout is still too long with the new camera. For night long exposure use the 125s time limit is still too long, and users should have the ability to disable long exposure noise reduction in cold weather, where it's probably not needed. I'm sure the M10 will be great for street photographers, candid photographers, and documentarians, but those are not the only sorts of users of Leica M cameras. Leica is ignoring the market segment of photographers who want a small, high-res, landscape, rangefinder+evf camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrain Posted January 24, 2017 Share #174 Posted January 24, 2017 It seems like an insignificant improvement. If I didn't have an M240, I would probably buy it but I see no reason to trade up. Most of the "advantages" are irrelevant to me, particularly the obsession with shaving a couple of millimetres off it, and the resulting reduced battery life is a big issue for me. The only noticeable improvement for me would be the larger rangefinder. Echo's my feelings 100% - Love the new M10 but happy enough with my M240 and SL Type 601. Can't see a good reason to upgrade right now. As a matter of fact if M240 prices drop considerable on the use market I'm going to pick up a second body. Using the M10 as a second body for me does not work since two battery sizes means two chargers and two sets of different menu settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve G Posted January 24, 2017 Share #175 Posted January 24, 2017 I like everything about it but the ISO knob. I would have a much greater use for an EV knob. But that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XVarior Posted January 24, 2017 Share #176 Posted January 24, 2017 I'll buy one in a heartbeat, never got so excited about an M other than my M9 ,until now. The M10 is the camera I was hoping Leica to make and they made it. I hope they will offer an M with a CCD sensor the way PHASE-ONE does. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAnder4370 Posted January 24, 2017 Share #177 Posted January 24, 2017 This one ticks off most of the boxes for me as to what I would want. I'll probably end up with a used 240 or two to replace my m8's though, as budget is concern for me. My M's are more of a personal camera system for me as I have to use Canon's and Hasselblads to make the Bacon as a commercial shooter. I really like the idea of the M10 being the same thickness as my film M's though, even though it's not much of a difference, they just feel right that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GVarano Posted January 24, 2017 Share #178 Posted January 24, 2017 This is a pole from the M240, M9, M8 Facebook user group, it is the complete opposite of this pole. https://www.facebook.com/groups/LeicaM/permalink/10154304947271134/ M240 is by far the better camera. M10 has no USB! Wifi is irrelevant for me. A multifunction grip cannot be used. I shoot the tethered with clients. how long will it take to upload multiple bursts of Raw full res DNG files to my computer via WiFi? I shot book "The Bleeding Angels" written by T.S. Simmons in 2013 with a tethered M8 and a 1968 50mm Summicron Rigid, the link has some samples. https://books.google.ca/books?id=M1pGDyHgYSEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false ISO Dial? I don't change ISO that often to command a dial on the camera for this single and sole purpose. It only gives you a small selection of speeds up to 6400 ISO, anything higher, guess what, you have to go to a menu! Shooting single, continuous and self timer dial would have been better,that has been removed entirely. It's now a menu option. About the same CMOS sensor as the Q or SL. M10 has no video that's the specially designed M10 CMOS sensor!!! M240, Q and SL DO! which means the M10 has no multimedia capabilities which in today's professional photography media market is a step backwards. A smaller battery another mistake. The M10 Is only so slightly thinner than my film M's. In order to facilitate it's thinner build all the above features have been omitted and in the case of the battery reduced. The price is steep for a thinner camera with less features. It should be starting at around the same price as a Type 262, for the price Leica is commanding for an M10. A used M240 and a used 35 or 50mm Summicron is the better choice. M240 is the perfect digital leica for the type of work I do and so is my Leica M8.2 ( M8.2 monochrome images are amazing). if you are smart you can pick up a M240, and M240 M-P cheaper in the next few months as dealers will drop the prices of these models. The Type M240 series are the real M10's. This camera should have been called the M11. If you own film Leica's, Good news, Kodak is re-launching Ektachrome 100 in 35mm This fall. For the Leica purists( me included) who want to shoot colour E6, with real Leica's (mechanical film Leica's) this is a breath of fresh air! Yes film!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted January 24, 2017 Share #179 Posted January 24, 2017 I have both an M9 and M-P. The one feature that interests me most in the M10 is the larger rangefinder and eye relief. I wear glasses, so the longer eye relief would help; I use a 35 with goggles just so that I don't have to fight to see the 35 frame. Whether I would part with the money to get that one feature is questionable. Jean-Michel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted January 25, 2017 Share #180 Posted January 25, 2017 Just placed my order for a black M10. I had to part exchange my M-E but, in the hand, the M10 really does feel like the M7. Now I just have to wait between eight and twelve weeks for delivery! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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