Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #101 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) You actually think it will take 20 minutes for a screen resolution image to transfer to your Mac ? Dude I tell you what. I'll help you out here you are absolutely right, Leica has abandoned you so just PM me you list of equipment and I will release you from your stress. The only substitute for at least the next few years until wifi gets to the point of suitability, will be shooting to a card. That is an awkward, unsuitable and unnecssarry, process of at least 20 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #102 Posted January 19, 2017 Thank you for the explanation of your situation. Still, I don't think this assumption is warranted. After all, Leica continued producing color-enabled cameras, even after the introduction of the Monochrom, or cameras with screens after the 60, and so on. And they explicitly stated that the M (Typ 240) was still being produced. And thank you for taking the time to read to read it. I hope you are right and I hope its not warranted, but the only thing I have to go by is what is in front of us which is a camera with no USB and nothing that points to another alternative. Going over all the marketing, press releases, website and leica camera blog, I'm left with the impression there won't be either. They've stated that the M240 is still being produced and as far as I'm aware, they've not stated that it will be developed. The only reason I have to buy the M240 is because it may be the last to have a tether ability. For what I need, there has never been a justifiable reason to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #103 Posted January 19, 2017 Wifi to an iPhone is not even an option at this point I would consider. Sending compressed and processed 8bit jpgs is not an option either. I have tried this in the past (with wifi too) and it's not suitable for something important or critical. It won't be ready for that sort of use for years yet. Leica themselves have said the WLAN is not a replacement for tethered shooting and to use the 240 instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 19, 2017 Share #104 Posted January 19, 2017 The same with dust and sand - do you think you can safely shoot on the beach in windy day? I shoot my M-P on the beach on windy days all the time. Never had a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 19, 2017 Share #105 Posted January 19, 2017 By the way, the Leica M10 App is already posted on Apple's iTunes App Store; https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/leica-m/id1188618444?mt=8 The part that makes it interesting for (possible future) tethering over WiFi is in the description of the App; ... Remote Control - Camera live view - Control capture settings - Trigger the shutter release Manage your images on the camera's card - View, download and share images directly from the camera - Store images on your smart device in full resolution and DNG - Rate your images on your camera and use your ratings for Adobe Lightroom ... If an iPhone/iPad can download DNGs from the camera's card... so can any Mac. Add a Watch folder in Lightroom, and you've got Tethering (as far as image review is concerned). Now maybe we can all get off this tethering discussion (till someone gets a camera to test things out ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #106 Posted January 19, 2017 Dude I am not getting you at all , what the heck does an I phone have to do with this , I am talking about shooting VIA a 5g network direct to your MAC the file will show up on your screen for you and your 50 ART DIRECTORS to check lighting, composition, subject matter , layout , or whatever you need to see . then Tag the keepers download the raws process them and off you go. I owned a 22,000 square foot studio with 7 full time staff photographers. Producing millions of dollars of POP material every year for 17 years . I know how this works. Good for you. But do know that I'm finding it difficult to discuss this with you. I'm not sure if you are aware but you have a tendency to talk at people and it comes across as you think you know better, when you don't. You don't know how "this" works - You know how what you do works and I'm glad to hear it does for you. Please don't talk to me like I am an idiot. Processed and compressed 8bit jpgs are not place to start from. Unless you want to have an inappropriate discussion with your client as to why the colour, contrast and banding is the way it is after its had the adjustments applied in Capture One and want to back track and have to apply adjustments to DNG's which are linear. The added time in dealing with this all this is not accounted for in a shoot of this kind. And there is no room for any kind of drop outs, something I would expect with this new technology and Leica's implementation of it to be prone to - Shuttle is not a good representation of that. It would complicate live backups and make a total mess of the whole reviewing process, having to make new procedures that are entirely uncessary. As far as I am aware the M10 is locked into a wifi app that only works with iOS devices, namely iPhones and iPads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #107 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I shoot my M-P on the beach on windy days all the time. Never had a problem. +1 About twice a week on the beach, irrespective of wind (OK, my smallest dog cannot stand much more than force 10, regardless that the camera can) and yearly in desert-like conditions. With M8,M9,M240. Never any problem with sand or salt damaging the camera or lens. Of course nobody can guarantee anything, but there is such a thing as being overcautious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 19, 2017 Share #108 Posted January 19, 2017 When I shoot there is a team of 10-50 people and many of these people are watching the screen as images roll in, tending to elements of the shoot - if you review the images 20 minutes after the shot has happened then it's far too late. Some of these people watching are paying a very vast sums of money for these shoots and they expect to be able to see things happen as they develop. Why don't you have a word directly with Leica? If you are even half the hotshot you claim to be (50 people working on your shoots and I think you've previously stated that you've shot countless Vogue covers) I'm sure they will be delighted to talk to you about your concerns. That kind of conversation will be far more productive than ranting in a gear forum. I mean this sincerely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted January 19, 2017 Share #109 Posted January 19, 2017 I use the app function for the Q, not that often but it is fun, especially using the iPhone for remote control. BUT, you need to be someplace where there is WIFI, the communication between phone and camera essentially tunnels through an existing internet connection. If none is available, like outside on that windy beach, it is as useful as a camera with a dead battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 19, 2017 Share #110 Posted January 19, 2017 Do you know this to be true? There is no optional multifunction grip just a standard grip. I am trying to get details but someone posted that USB is not happening. This is the worst kind of bad for me. Good point, Paul. I was being facetious. No emoticon for that. Silly me. The only thing I used the USB for on the M9 was with tethered shooting, and rarely for downloading images. I might get used to using a smartphone for the same. One improvement that I think will be retained from now on is the rangefinder's viewfinder. A larger view with better eye relief is a very pleasant surprise. I cannot know how anyone would not appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted January 19, 2017 Share #111 Posted January 19, 2017 Good point, Paul. I was being facetious. No emoticon for that. Silly me. The only thing I used the USB for on the M9 was with tethered shooting, and rarely for downloading images. I might get used to using a smartphone for the same. One improvement that I think will be retained from now on is the rangefinder's viewfinder. A larger view with better eye relief is a very pleasant surprise. I cannot know how anyone would not appreciate it. Look forward to checking out the viewfinder upgrade in person -- that alone is a big plus, along with more accurate frame lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 19, 2017 Share #112 Posted January 19, 2017 I use the app function for the Q, not that often but it is fun, especially using the iPhone for remote control. BUT, you need to be someplace where there is WIFI, the communication between phone and camera essentially tunnels through an existing internet connection. If none is available, like outside on that windy beach, it is as useful as a camera with a dead battery. The M10 has the option of a direct WiFi connection without an intervening server. It is called Create WLAN. It works much the same as, for example, WiFi works in my car. I hope it works as well with the Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #113 Posted January 19, 2017 Good point, Paul. I was being facetious. No emoticon for that. Silly me. The only thing I used the USB for on the M9 was with tethered shooting, and rarely for downloading images. I might get used to using a smartphone for the same. One improvement that I think will be retained from now on is the rangefinder's viewfinder. A larger view with better eye relief is a very pleasant surprise. I cannot know how anyone would not appreciate it. i agree Pico. I look at this camera and despite it being short in the resolution I ultimately need, and yes, always bang on about, this M10 is better in almost every way and I want it. Wants and needs are different and if they can create an M10P with a USB port I would buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 19, 2017 Share #114 Posted January 19, 2017 The M10 has the option of a direct WiFi connection without an intervening server. It is called Create WLAN. It works much the same as, for example, WiFi works in my car. I hope it works as well with the Leica. Spot on. The M10 can behave as a WiFi Access Point, including configuration of SSID and security (it's all outlined in the M10 Instruction manual); any iPhone/iPad will be able to connect directly to it without any other WiFi infrastructure around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 19, 2017 Share #115 Posted January 19, 2017 I think Leica have finally recognised that returning to the core ethos of the M range is their best bet for it's continued viability. I welcome this direction as one professional photographer who wants a clean, slimmed-down, unencumbered digital Leica M to use as Leica M cameras were originally designed to be used: as small, well-constructed dependable, discreet reportage cameras with access to superlative lenses. The iso dial is a useful addition but located where it is, should ideally be lockable (as per the Fuji XT-2). Until I've actually tried the M10, all I would add to what I already know about it would be a 2nd card slot for in-camera back-up. The ergonomics and UI look ok, but really important stuff such as reliability, processing, colour fidelity, white balance, noise control etc remains to be seen. For once, though, at this point I feel optimistic about being able to include a digital Leica M in my work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #116 Posted January 19, 2017 Why don't you have a word directly with Leica? If you are even half the hotshot you claim to be (50 people working on your shoots and I think you've previously stated that you've shot countless Vogue covers) I'm sure they will be delighted to talk to you about your concerns. That kind of conversation will be far more productive than ranting in a gear forum. I mean this sincerely. I have never claimed to be a hot shot, I have just explained to people what I do when they have asked or if it's relevant. But I will certainly be speaking with Leica if it really is no tether and no mention of another line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 19, 2017 Share #117 Posted January 19, 2017 Sorry, but all that says is you don't know many professionals who need it. It is a common and basic need for many, there are thousands and thousands of photographers who shoot tethered and while I'm sure people who shoot events and weddings will appreciate higher iso, I don't for what I do. This is a basic need for someone like me, for which there are a hell of a lot of us. I really do hope there is a new M240 top model but I don't think it's going to happen. How many of them shoot with Leica Ms? VERY VERY few by all the comments and responses I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #118 Posted January 19, 2017 The M10 has the option of a direct WiFi connection without an intervening server. It is called Create WLAN. It works much the same as, for example, WiFi works in my car. I hope it works as well with the Leica. If it works as well as the one in my car Leica can expect a lot of trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #119 Posted January 19, 2017 I've never had luck with WLAN. I found it difficult to keep a connection and doing so while trying to transfer a large file is a slow and sometimes wonky experience. But it is fun and for casual use OK. There may have been improvements though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 19, 2017 Share #120 Posted January 19, 2017 lol get off your high horse will you. No, i'm going to continue my "adolescent drivel" because it is a big deal to me. It is a core need and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If it offends you I suggest you join a missionary where you can put all those morals to use. i understand you may not care to hear so many unsympathetic remarks, but you are raining on a parade that many of us are excited about and looking forward to. the "morality" of it as i see it is that a professional human being would find a solution and his own work around and be done with it and move on. isn't this how a successful person succeeds, by not being stopped by small road bumps? big deal or not to you, trashing leica, crying and whining about a product isn't going to get you the changes you want in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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