Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #61 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Forget USB. Wifi is future. You re right, it is the future. But for the next 5 years, probably, we will have to put up with tethered shooting so why take it away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #62 Posted January 19, 2017 ....really? when did tethering become a core need of a professional, a professional what? ...i am sorry but this rant is sad. You go on to say "the best thing Leica does is abandon its users?" WTF? ...Frankly, with the serious state of affairs in the world today, it's difficult to even listen to this sort of adolescent drivel. ...and why can't you ever use Your M again? ....WHAT??? ...if your biggest problem is the lack of a usb port on a product that you do NOT have to purchase, then consider yourself a very lucky human and try exhibiting a bit of gratitude instead of all that whimpering and whining. I for one view the M10's release as an exciting event and I am looking forward to exploring the camera, flaws (if any) and all! lol get off your high horse will you. No, i'm going to continue my "adolescent drivel" because it is a big deal to me. It is a core need and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If it offends you I suggest you join a missionary where you can put all those morals to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #63 Posted January 19, 2017 You re right, it is the future. But for the next 5 years, probably, we will have to put up with tethered shooting so why take it away?Well, because they want to make it weathersealed, they don't believe it is relevant to the majority of M users, and the M is not aimed at tethered studio work, I guess. It also removes one more complication? I don't think they did it out of spite; perhaps they read your posts and thought "well, it doesn't have enough MP for serious professional use, so we might as well get rid of tethering too"? No? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted January 19, 2017 Share #64 Posted January 19, 2017 there are thousands and thousands of photographers who shoot tethered and while I'm sure people who shoot events and weddings will appreciate higher iso, I don't...There is another - historically important - group of photographers who'll appreciate cleaner files at higher ISO. My guess is that Leica will be happy if they can bring reportage photographers back into the fold, even if it means they lose a few studio photographers in the process. It's nice to see the M10 slimming down, gaining refinement and appealing once again to the kind of photographer that sustained the company through the film era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 19, 2017 Share #65 Posted January 19, 2017 ... The M9 tethers perfectly well. It's connection was rock solid and it got the job done. ... It's been awhile since I've sold my M9, but IIRC, the M9's USB throughput was pretty poor. While it's unclear exactly how the M10's WLAN function operates, I'd wager it's 802.11n support will provide better throughput than the M9's USB... and all this whining may be for naught. Don't knock it till you've tried it. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 19, 2017 Share #66 Posted January 19, 2017 Weather resistance of the camera is useless once lenses are not weather protected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #67 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Weather resistance of the camera is useless once lenses are not weather protected Why do you say that? The tolerances in the lenses is pretty good, and the electronics are in the camera. My first FE died after getting wet, whereas the lens was fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 19, 2017 Share #68 Posted January 19, 2017 Why do you say that? The tolerances in the lenses is pretty good, and the electronics are in the camera. My first FE died after getting wet, whereas the lens was fine. I have been clearly told by Leica that rain drops are ok for Lenses, but no more than drops. Leica never said that lenses are weather proof. The same with dust and sand - do you think you can safely shoot on the beach in windy day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #69 Posted January 19, 2017 It's been awhile since I've sold my M9, but IIRC, the M9's USB throughput was pretty poor. While it's unclear exactly how the M10's WLAN function operates, I'd wager it's 802.11n support will provide better throughput than the M9's USB... and all this whining may be for naught. Don't knock it till you've tried it. . M9 tether throughput is adequate and perfectly usable. Wifi will not even come close at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #70 Posted January 19, 2017 I have been clearly told by Leica that rain drops are ok for Lenses, but no more than drops. Leica never said that lenses are weather proof Nor did I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 19, 2017 Share #71 Posted January 19, 2017 M9 tether throughput is adequate and perfectly usable. Wifi will not even come close at this point. Care to tell us what the M9's USB throughput is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #72 Posted January 19, 2017 Care to tell us what the M9's USB throughput is? It takes around 2-3 seconds for an M9 DNG to arrive over USB to my MacBook Pro. Perfectly usable. Wifi it will take 10 seconds at least. That won't work to begin with and it's unthinkable if you take 30 shots in a row . Also the wifi is for iOS devices only, as far as I understand. That is not a solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #73 Posted January 19, 2017 Catching up with posts after 7 hours sleep......... Ref the idea that the M240 somehow represents an alternative line of the M, an all-you-can-eat technology version compared to the essentials-only M10. I just don't see it happening; I guess the M240 will continue as a sort of ME for a while, then get dropped when the next iteration of the M10 comes round. OTOH, a QL is much more likely: an M-sized camera with L mount and built-in EVF (and possibly more connectivity, simply because you could control everything in the camera, which will never be the case with the M10). I am sure Leica has a design for such a camera on the stocks: whether they will make it is another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted January 19, 2017 Share #74 Posted January 19, 2017 It takes around 2-3 seconds for an M9 DNG to arrive over USB to my MacBook Pro. Perfectly usable. Wifi it will take 10 seconds at least. That won't work to begin with and it's unthinkable if you take 30 shots in a row . Also the wifi is for iOS devices only, as far as I understand. That is not a solution. So you don't really know the throughput. And what WiFi standard were you comparing it against? - The LEICA M9 is equipped with a USB 2.0 interface for transferring data to a computer. - USB 2.0 was released in April 2000, adding a higher maximum signalling rate of 480 Mbit/s - IEEE 802.11n-2009, commonly shortened to 802.11n, ... maximum net data rate from 54 Mbit/s to 600 Mbit/s Like I said, I'd wager the M10 WLAN has better throughput than the M9's USB 2.0 port. As for whether it works exclusively with iOS only, remains to be verified. Since the M10 can acts as an Access Point, I'd wager it provides a storage view into the SD card. It' be simple to tether over WiFi to a Mac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #75 Posted January 19, 2017 There is another - historically important - group of photographers who'll appreciate cleaner files at higher ISO. My guess is that Leica will be happy if they can bring reportage photographers back into the fold, even if it means they lose a few studio photographers in the process. It's nice to see the M10 slimming down, gaining refinement and appealing once again to the kind of photographer that sustained the company through the film era. All well and good, but high iso is not being held back because of the usb port. And how about those that sustained the company through turbulent digital times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #76 Posted January 19, 2017 I don't doubt that there are thousands of pros out there who need tethering as an essential part of their work. Almost all of them will use Canon, Nikon, other DSLRs and MF. The number of pros using a Leica M for tethering is probably minuscule. Leica is unlikely ever to persuade pros not already using the M to adopt it for work that needs tethering, and I guess they're just accepting that those already using the M will be lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #77 Posted January 19, 2017 So you don't really know the throughput. And what WiFi standard were you comparing it against? - The LEICA M9 is equipped with a USB 2.0 interface for transferring data to a computer. - USB 2.0 was released in April 2000, adding a higher maximum signalling rate of 480 Mbit/s - IEEE 802.11n-2009, commonly shortened to 802.11n, ... maximum net data rate from 54 Mbit/s to 600 Mbit/s Like I said, I'd wager the M10 WLAN has better throughout than the M9's USB 2.0 port. Uh....no it's obvious what the through put of usb 2 is 480Mb/s, please don't try that card. I doubt that, my guess is at least 10 seconds for a dng but I would love to be wrong on that. Leica have said themselves that the wifi will not be viable for tethered shooting. I very much doubt the small wifi antenna inside the M will be up to the task of sustained writing. There are more variables involved with tethered shooting than specs. And it's only an iOS app - this is not a solution in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #78 Posted January 19, 2017 I don't doubt that there are thousands of pros out there who need tethering as an essential part of their work. Almost all of them will use Canon, Nikon, other DSLRs and MF. The number of pros using a Leica M for tethering is probably minuscule. Leica is unlikely ever to persuade pros not already using the M to adopt it for work that needs tethering, and I guess they're just accepting that those already using the M will be lost. But Paul says there are thousands ... If Leica drops video, doesn't increase MP and generally concentrates on improving the core M values, what would be the point of retaining the USB port? Nowhere does Leica suggest that this camera is aimed at studio photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted January 19, 2017 Share #79 Posted January 19, 2017 All well and good, but high iso is not being held back because of the usb port. And how about those that sustained the company through turbulent digital times?No, it's not being held back by a USB port, but I, and others, like the idea of a bare bones approach to the M. It's true that, by and large, reportage photographers haven't sustained Leica through the digital years - they're using 5Ds and Sonys more than anything else - but the company still lives off the historical association. To me, it makes a great deal of sense - particularly given the other Leica lines - to renew the M's connection to that world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #80 Posted January 19, 2017 But Paul says there are thousands ... If Leica drops video, doesn't increase MP and generally concentrates on improving the core M values, what would be the point of retaining the USB port? Nowhere does Leica suggest that this camera is aimed at studio photographers. John, stop being so churlish and snarky. If you don't like the conversation leave it alone and join one of the other threads. You are clearly here just to stir trouble. There are thousands of pros who tether. That is just a common reality you are clearly unaware of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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