Doc Henry Posted February 13, 2017 Share #141 Posted February 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Paul , Epson scan for negative 135 of MF is a very good scanner Some pictures scan with Epson V700 in "I like film" thread with only 3200dpi. A V500 is also still good. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=3211253 Naturally , it's better you print on silver paper with an enlarger , it's nicer Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ko.Fe. Posted February 13, 2017 Share #142 Posted February 13, 2017 Not on 135mm film in my view. Scanning is cumbersome. The real benefits of B&W silver film can only come forward in the dark room in my view, when you print on Baryta paper. THE greatest loss in analogue photographie is the paperprint IMO and especally on Agfa's Record Rapid and Portriga Rapid. Inkjet printing on modern Baryta inkjet papers does not give that sensation of depth in images. It depends for what and for whom. I never printed B&W on paper before 2014. For first 25 or so years I was taking it at ORWO slides with FED-2 and later on consumer P&S cameras with consumer film developed and printed at the lab. I only started with BW film in 2012. And scanning is super easy. In fact, all I'm using is Epson flatbed and Epson software. Little adjustments in Lightroom which are very similar and simple to manipulations in the darkroom. I do both now and benefiting from both. Few days ago for first time I printed digital negative on plain paper and contact printed on very old AGFA Brovira paper in Light developer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 17, 2017 Share #143 Posted February 17, 2017 Sometimes we have a family projection with our Pradovit ( only 1.5m screen) and plenty of Kodachrome (could be also Velvia or Provia ). Even if the fan-sound of the Pradovit is there, those evenings are memorable with these liveful/lovely/true-color/etc. slides. Time has passed by, but our slides tell us we had good time then. If I use digital to scan my slides or film, that's very nice indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 17, 2017 Share #144 Posted February 17, 2017 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Decades old Kodachrome with color-boost * in PP I admit that one is too much "slide bar" * taken with M Leica in Tuileries Garden, but don't remember which one or which lens, sorry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Decades old Kodachrome with color-boost * in PP I admit that one is too much "slide bar" * taken with M Leica in Tuileries Garden, but don't remember which one or which lens, sorry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268140-are-there-any-benefits-of-using-film-compared-to-digital/?do=findComment&comment=3215502'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 20, 2017 Share #145 Posted February 20, 2017 chevaux tuileries 8.jpg Decades old Kodachrome with color-boost * in PP I admit that one is too much "slide bar" * taken with M Leica in Tuileries Garden, but don't remember which one or which lens, sorry Nice red Arnaud glad see you here Slides what year ? in the 1960's ? "Are there any benefits of using film compared to digital" Read this article in Time http://time.com/4649032/film-photography-cameras/ and also read this report : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=3206514 Rg H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arno_nyhm Posted February 20, 2017 Share #146 Posted February 20, 2017 Any thoughts would be welcome to help with my decision making. actually the headline asked: " Are there any benefits of using film compared to digital" and the quick answer is: no! there are no benefits at all. just like drinking beer or eating iceream doesnt have any benefits. smoking cigarettes, owning a fully mechanical ROLEX watch or driving a Ferrari would be other examples. go ahead. try it. you will love it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 20, 2017 Share #147 Posted February 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nice red Arnaud glad see you here Slides what year ? in the 1960's ? ... Thanks Doc. I checked few minutes ago, marked on the mount " DEC 80 ". So not so old, I thought it was older than that myself. That's magic of Kodachrome I forgot . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 20, 2017 Share #148 Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks Doc. I checked few minutes ago, marked on the mount " DEC 80 ". So not so old, I thought it was older than that myself. That's magic of Kodachrome I forgot . Thanks Arnaud for your reply You like red , me too The last Kodachrome slide developed by Dwanes Lab Parsons Kansas US in 2009 taken with an old Leicaflex SL of 1969 (recently revised by Leica Wetzlar) + Summicron 50 (1969) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! You are welcome in our thread Arnaud don't hesitate to post . Thanks. Just post slides Kodachrome from 1969 slides 48 years old http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=3217155 You'll see the difference in color , with your digital cameras Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! You are welcome in our thread Arnaud don't hesitate to post . Thanks. Just post slides Kodachrome from 1969 slides 48 years old http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=3217155 You'll see the difference in color , with your digital cameras Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268140-are-there-any-benefits-of-using-film-compared-to-digital/?do=findComment&comment=3217212'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 20, 2017 Share #149 Posted February 20, 2017 Doc, May I admit that I do use digital M (and others) too and I continue analog M also, ... with Hasselblad XPan right now. The two medias have each advantages on the other one for me. I'm like this balinese mask and I'm happy with each camera I use, black/red/white. Not so black, not so white . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! from M (type 262) and Apo-Summicron-M 2/75 Asph. This old balinese dance mask is in real in front of me and when compared with it's image, I see very small difference in color and depend on it's lighting mainly. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! from M (type 262) and Apo-Summicron-M 2/75 Asph. This old balinese dance mask is in real in front of me and when compared with it's image, I see very small difference in color and depend on it's lighting mainly. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268140-are-there-any-benefits-of-using-film-compared-to-digital/?do=findComment&comment=3217249'>More sharing options...
colint544 Posted February 20, 2017 Share #150 Posted February 20, 2017 Great thread. It's difficult, I think, to compare film and digital - each has their strengths and weaknesses. I'm fortunate enough to have an M Monochrom mk1, and I shoot that alongside with my analogue M cameras. The M Mono is very convenient. ISO can be changed from frame to frame, and it doesn't cost you each time you release the shutter. A lot can be done with the files, and I think it's a sensational camera when the light levels drop and you can push the ISO up a bit. But there's just something about film. When you scan or print a negative, there is very little, if any, tweaking required in post. And the images on film have an almost indefinable quality to them, with their gentle tones and textured grain. Digital pictures, in comparison, can seem almost too sharp and contrasty to my eyes. And there's definitely something supremely satisfying in owning a strip of film, processed, and containing images you saw and captured. It's an artefact, a tangible, touchable thing that was there with you when you pressed the button. Something that you made. And it will last and last, and always be scannable or printable. Here are a few film shots I've taken around Glasgow, either on my M2 or M5. The compression here kills them a bit, but the prints and TIFF scans are lovely. Best wishes all, Colin Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268140-are-there-any-benefits-of-using-film-compared-to-digital/?do=findComment&comment=3217286'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 20, 2017 Share #151 Posted February 20, 2017 Doc, May I admit that I do use digital M (and others) too and I continue analog M also, ... with Hasselblad XPan right now. The two medias have each advantages on the other one for me. I'm like this balinese mask and I'm happy with each camera I use, black/red/white. Not so black, not so white . masque Bali 3.jpg from M (type 262) and Apo-Summicron-M 2/75 Asph. This old balinese dance mask is in real in front of me and when compared with it's image, I see very small difference in color and depend on it's lighting mainly. Great thread. It's difficult, I think, to compare film and digital - each has their strengths and weaknesses. I'm fortunate enough to have an M Monochrom mk1, and I shoot that alongside with my analogue M cameras. The M Mono is very convenient. ISO can be changed from frame to frame, and it doesn't cost you each time you release the shutter. A lot can be done with the files, and I think it's a sensational camera when the light levels drop and you can push the ISO up a bit. But there's just something about film. When you scan or print a negative, there is very little, if any, tweaking required in post. And the images on film have an almost indefinable quality to them, with their gentle tones and textured grain. Digital pictures, in comparison, can seem almost too sharp and contrasty to my eyes. And there's definitely something supremely satisfying in owning a strip of film, processed, and containing images you saw and captured. It's an artefact, a tangible, touchable thing that was there with you when you pressed the button. Something that you made. And it will last and last, and always be scannable or printable. Here are a few film shots I've taken around Glasgow, either on my M2 or M5. The compression here kills them a bit, but the prints and TIFF scans are lovely. Best wishes all, Colin I admit it's practical and immediate Arnaud and Colin but it stops there. Color not satisfying at the moment Proof : Leica has just released the M10 and has the merit to continue the quest for perfection since the M8.The reason : look at my previous post about color from sensor in comparison with our eyes spectra In the meantime , I shoot film ... and you do what you like Nice pictures in b&w Colin . Please post and share with us in "I like film" thread . and you are welcome . Thanks Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentShutter Posted February 20, 2017 Share #152 Posted February 20, 2017 I think that the present state of technic and possibilities of digital workflow are awsome I really like working with it So why all that fuzz with mechanical cameras and film ? Because even taking a picture is different. You have to be more focused. You need more time and you take it. You take it for yourself (and maybe someone sees it in your pictures too). You take these pictures to last. Longer than any digital file ever will and that´s why I still use film for projects that are to important to loose. Just my 2cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemgb Posted February 20, 2017 Share #153 Posted February 20, 2017 I think that the present state of technic and possibilities of digital workflow are awsome I really like working with it So why all that fuzz with mechanical cameras and film ? Because even taking a picture is different. You have to be more focused. You need more time and you take it. You take it for yourself (and maybe someone sees it in your pictures too). You take these pictures to last. Longer than any digital file ever will and that´s why I still use film for projects that are to important to loose. Just my 2cents. I was photographing my daughter and her boyfriend recently using an APS P&S, he asked what type of camera it was and when I responded it was film his immediate reaction was "oh wow, a permanent photo". I also showed a young co-worker my Sofort recently, she immediately went out and bouhgt a Fuji Instax, she loves the idea of an instant photo for permanent memories. Digital is considered disposable by younger people, analogue is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted February 21, 2017 Share #154 Posted February 21, 2017 Just catching up with this thread. With reference to using lower temperatures for C-41, I did manage a year ago to make it work at room temperature, but the development was so long that it would have been quicker to heat the solutions as per normal! Details in this post - where else? - in the I Like Film thread! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 21, 2017 Share #155 Posted February 21, 2017 Digital is considered disposable by younger people, analogue is not. Mike https://petapixel.com/2015/02/04/30-film-shooters-younger-35-says-ilford/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemgb Posted February 21, 2017 Share #156 Posted February 21, 2017 Mike https://petapixel.com/2015/02/04/30-film-shooters-younger-35-says-ilford/ Very cool! The statistic I love is that 49% of film shooters develop and print themselves. Now someone just needs to develop a colour process that is as easy as black and white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 21, 2017 Share #157 Posted February 21, 2017 I'm currently using an M240, however from time to time I start thinking about acquiring and using a film M (an M6 is currently on my watch list) but then the other half of me says don't be silly, the expense and extra effort to process and digitise negs or slides isn't worth it. What are the pros and cons that I should seriously consider before hitting the buy key? Any thoughts would be welcome to help with my decision making. It's great, but bad for your skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arno_nyhm Posted February 21, 2017 Share #158 Posted February 21, 2017 Now someone just needs to develop a colour process that is as easy as black and white. go ahead. there sure are customers for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemgb Posted February 21, 2017 Share #159 Posted February 21, 2017 go ahead. there sure are customers for this Sadly chemical engineering is a skill I never acquired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 21, 2017 Share #160 Posted February 21, 2017 Very cool! The statistic I love is that 49% of film shooters develop and print themselves. Now someone just needs to develop a colour process that is as easy as black and white. Mike , except you need a water bath for the temperature , color process is easier and faster. Only dev+fix+ stab and one roll costs less 2 Euros... and you can develop even a sunday no scratches and work well done. I work near a window of ventilation and I have a sink with a tap of water in the lingerie of my house Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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