Paul J Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1881 Posted January 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It depends on your uses. For me it would make a lot of sense and it's the only thing I need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edwardkaraa Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1882 Posted January 17, 2017 The QL sounds very interesting for all who like an top notch EVF. If it's small and reasonably priced (Leica wise) it will sell like hot cakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1883 Posted January 17, 2017 Hot cakes are cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1884 Posted January 17, 2017 24 to 30? rather marginal and photographically near-irrelevant. Interesting that it is the same increment Canon chose between the 5D III and IV. Enough to register for marketing purposes, but not so much as to make the ISO performance too much of a challenge. But Canon made that step in 2016, not 2018. Still, there are other features of the sensor that I would value more highly than resolution: noise performance and accurate colour rendition key among them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1885 Posted January 17, 2017 I REALLY start to wonder if in other brands' forums (there are, I think...) discussions in proximity of product announcements have the same mix of intensity/fantasy/hope... or if we are REALLY a unique breed of people... Fuji fans also waited for the 2'nd iteration of X-Pro and T series like this. Of course the intensity is nearly same but not the fantasies or hopes, because Fuji X series already have more than enough features. The only hope is Full Frame. Every year , the urban legend appears on Fuji forums as the awaited Fuji full frame is incoming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1886 Posted January 17, 2017 I think your guessing is a bit off. The S, even by Leica's standards and own words, should be double the resolution 70-80MP to make a difference. That I may be interested but I'm at that point now where even one year wait is too long when you can jump in on a proven system and shoot 100MP today. It would also most likely be a 2 year wait to get take delivery and then there are the rest of the issues with it which put it in the too hard, too expensive and no thanks basket, until proven otherwise. 30MP M is not an upgrade in resolution worth talking about. I have no interest in waiting one more year for another 8MP. Actually, it is 6 MP But is there a real alternative? Sony fans have been waiting for years for the A7r cameras to have - acceptable battery life - top notch EVF - 4k video that actually works - lossless RAW compression - user friendly menu System Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1887 Posted January 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I REALLY start to wonder if in other brands' forums (there are, I think...) discussions in proximity of product announcements have the same mix of intensity/fantasy/hope... or if we are REALLY a unique breed of people... The Fuji X Forum have lauch parties on the forum for new products complete with prizes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1888 Posted January 17, 2017 The Fuji X Forum have lauch parties on the forum for new products complete with prizes! The Fuji X Forum and this Forum are under common management. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1889 Posted January 17, 2017 He is simply being smart - they are on all my lenses on the M240. Any thin filter stack camera will have some degree of IR sensitivity. I don't know how smart that is with a 35mm lens. Above that, the corners are fine, but 35mm is wide enough to see some serious color shift caused by the IR filter at the edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1890 Posted January 17, 2017 Not on an M240. I have none of those problems at all. For two reasons I guess: the IR sensitivity, when all is said and done, is far less than the M8, so less colour shift, and it has a different microlens design and a wider acceptance angle. There is no reason to think that it might not apply to the M10 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1891 Posted January 17, 2017 The Fuji X Forum and this Forum are under common management. William I didn't realise this. Who is the 'management'? www.robertpoolephotography.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lencap Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1892 Posted January 17, 2017 Interesting discussion - all of it! So I guess if I put myself in Leica's executive Board meetings the conversation is something like this. We have a unique brand and client base, but the photography field is changing rapidly and our franchise is in jeopardy. We market and sell a premium brand at a premium price. What do we do given that: Entry level buyers have a wide array of choice, and many young consumers are content with an iPhone. Going for the low end puts us in competition with Japanese brands - a losing battle for us. But maybe the lower end can be harvested - so the Leica Q is a trial ballon to see if Leica can outdo Fuji and create a new revenue stream. The M camera line is our prestige line - lots of history, nostalgia, and a unique product. We continue to refine it, but in the end the question remains - is this the platform that will sustain us for the next 50 years? Will manual focus rangefinder cameras continue to find buyers, and will we continue to improve the product? So the M240 is another trial balloon - do our clients want video/EVF/etc. Turns out that some do and some don't. So we create the 262/M-D and rededicate ourselves to the nostalgia film group with the M-A. Now what? And that's the question that the M10 will answer. Regardless of what we think, Leica has to accomplish a lot of conflicting goals - continue to refine a legacy system without making such radical changes that the underlying client base begins to move to other platforms, while realizing that competition from Hasselblad/Fuji and the rest is accelerating. Profit margins must be maintained and production costs must reflect that. Does the SL morph into a S? Does the S survive? Is the Q the right way to go? I think Leica is really trying to figure all of this out, just like we are. Their problem is much larger than ours. Development lead times are expensive and uncertain. Technology is changing rapidly, and any significant misstep can be hard to overcome. So what would you do? Something radical seems overly risky, something too conservative may upset some of the base, but regardless of the direction you can't take the risk of killing the brand. So the safest step is continued refinement, perhaps reassessing platforms (do we need a M/Q/S/SL base as well as various other lines?), all while preserving the status of the product and its exclusive niche. Ferrari is facing similar issues - a few years ago there was a major management shakeup. Ferrari's traditional "limited production" business model - manufacture one less car than customer demand is willing to buy, worked well, but the change to higher EPA mileage as well as European regulations creates problems with that business model. They need to spread development costs over a wider base - not easy to do when you want to keep your cars exclusive. Ferrari went upmarket with price/features, continued to sell branded products, licensed engine design to other manufacturers (Maserati), and continues to be the car of choice for those who can afford it. Maybe Leica takes a similar approach - remains a niche market player, caters to those who can afford the entry price, gives them what they want - an exclusive traditional M line, moves the SL to the "younger techie clients", and determines if the S has enough of a market to continue its existence. Regardless, I expect they will be focused on keeping their franchise intact, not making mistakes, and being cost effective in whatever they decide. When you expand too much, trying to capture everything, the number of SKUs, the inventory expense and the need to expand support and distribution quickly becomes a cash flow drain. I doubt that's an attractive alternative for Leica. As they say, we'll see soon enough what direction Leica thinks is the best path forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1893 Posted January 17, 2017 . I'd be in the market for both... The big challenge then is do I end up wanting three bodies (two M10s + the Q-L)? Ouch... Exactly Or rather M, QL and SL (for balancing the big lenses) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1894 Posted January 17, 2017 I didn't realise this. Who is the 'management'? www.robertpoolephotography.com Look for the "Imprint" and "Impressum" links, respectively, at the bottom edge of each page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1895 Posted January 17, 2017 Look for the "Imprint" and "Impressum" links, respectively, at the bottom edge of each page. I'll look on the computer but I mostly use Tapatalk www.robertpoolephotography.com EDIT: I was talking about the original Fuji X Forum http://www.fujix-forum.com/ which I believe is run by someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1896 Posted January 17, 2017 I have to admit: I was wrong. The M10 indeed does feature the SL's sensor. It is a classical M rangefinder, really beautiful. While it is slimmer, the lens mount has to compensate for it. Basically Leicarumors got it right. It is going to be anounced this week. In spring, there will be another Leica EVF full frame camera announced with a L mount. Did your friend gave you information about the release date of M10 ? Just after the announcement or maybe next month ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1897 Posted January 17, 2017 All of the rumors sent by leicarumors were true except for one. There is a new visoflex for this camera that is not the TL version. Camera has wifi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1898 Posted January 17, 2017 I didn't realise this. Who is the 'management'? www.robertpoolephotography.com Andreas manages both. I also get the same 'offers' etc from both. The style, layout etc are the same on both. This forum is much busier and I have never posted on the Fuji Forum. I just registered because I have some Fuji gear. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1899 Posted January 17, 2017 Camera is also ready to ship in silver and black. .72 finder, 28 frame lines much more visible. Screen is over 1m pixels but i don't think it's touch screen. SL sensor updated for M and M lenses. Screen is not detachable. Has frame line lever. No hybrid viewfinder. Size comments are correct. It will be smaller and lighter than M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 17, 2017 Share #1900 Posted January 17, 2017 Almost forgot, will be 6,595.00 usd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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