jmahto Posted December 17, 2016 Share #381 Posted December 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks like voice command and phone calls are out then.... bugger ! There always is some solution. You can tap it with morse code. With a little hammer costing $499. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rus Posted December 17, 2016 Share #382 Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Honestly what is this obsession over the thickness, I just don't get it there is no more that 4mm difference between an M3 and M240. who cares Does it really upset the way you handle a camera if it was 4mm thicker ?? is anyone out there not able to photograph with an M240 because it is 4mm thicker ?? I do understand how you feel, and I agree wholeheartedly with you that the difference is minute---or at least much smaller than the weight difference---and in practical use rather inconsequential. That said, I guess we've now already come to a point where Leica is no longer only about utility and usability of the camera, but rather the whole package to which we give the baggy term "experience". That experience (and also appearance) can be entirely subjective combined with the usual price asked for these cameras, perhaps means that it is not surprising that small details attract the most intent interest (or frustration). Besides, just because the thicker camera has been perfectly usable and capable does not mean that the new successor may not be made thinner and lighter, right? Edited December 17, 2016 by Rus Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted December 17, 2016 Share #383 Posted December 17, 2016 I just got my M9 sensor replaced (corrosion) and I use it in combination with an MM1. I am sure that I would love the M10. The ISO dial is something that would give me even more control and overview right at my fingertips. I love the fact that I can "feel" my way around an M camera and have a good idea where my aperture and focus is set at any given moment. A dedicate ISO dial would add to this visceral experience. Despite all this, I am thinking that I will probably not get an M10 if I can resist it. I have plenty of batteries for my M9/MM and I see myself using these cameras for a long time. I think I will wait and eventually buy a lightly used SL because it will add more flexibility to my already big camera arsenal. I found the SL viewfinder an absolute joy to use for portraiture with my 50Apo, and this is a field where critical focus and a good buffer combined with fast processor are absolutely crucial. Even if the M10 comes with a good external viewfinder, the rumored absence of video indicates that live-view will not be a priority, and I do not think that it will even try to remotely compete with the stellar electronic SL finder and optical block. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 17, 2016 Share #384 Posted December 17, 2016 I get this viewpoint. I'll keep my M240P for as long as I can... and maybe get a used SL at some point, because of I'm really honest, an SL is probably exactly the camera I need... but I have always wanted a Leica M and, unfortunately, its easy to fall in love with something you want. I love the way my M looks and feels... but the actual process of the rangefinder and the fact you are not seeing what the lens sees still feels wrong to me... If only digital SLR's were more like my old Nikon F2A's in terms of control and handling... sigh... There... I've finally admitted it to myself... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Black Posted December 17, 2016 Share #385 Posted December 17, 2016 Does the frame selector imply that they haven't fixed the bug of showing pairs of frame lines? The lens' mount triggers which set of frame lines are pulled up (28/90, 35/135, 50/75). It's not a "bug". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted December 17, 2016 Share #386 Posted December 17, 2016 The lens' mount triggers which set of frame lines are pulled up (28/90, 35/135, 50/75). It's not a "bug". It would be entirely possible to use the 6 bit coding on the lens to display the correct frame lines. If they replaced the fixed frame lines with a page composer, they could also display correct frame lines for every lens and distance. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 17, 2016 Share #387 Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It would be entirely possible to use the 6 bit coding on the lens to display the correct frame lines. If they replaced the fixed frame lines with a page composer, they could also display correct frame lines for every lens and distance. Peter The current frame lines are not electronically generated; rather they use the same mechanical structure from film Ms. The difference is that they are now illuminated by LEDs, not by a window. Jeff Edited December 17, 2016 by Jeff S 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 17, 2016 Share #388 Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) All this could be a interesting strategy by Leica regress the m line to be more rangefinder type and cater for the purist mob thus having the freedom to innovate new technologies in the SL Q T etc lines and smartphone.......................... A good move this can also free Leica from the m240 range that really has no clear path of development within today's camera technology. Time for the M(Type 240/262 to be put to rest or become a doorstop Edited December 17, 2016 by Imants Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 17, 2016 Share #389 Posted December 17, 2016 I think that's the fear of many, as they like the smaller, more compact "retro" M form factor; that and they don't need AF lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 17, 2016 Share #390 Posted December 17, 2016 I think that's the fear of many, as they like the smaller, more compact "retro" M form factor; that and they don't need AF lenses. I agree, John. With the exception that I'd replace your word "fear" with "dream." Rick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikozia Posted December 18, 2016 Share #391 Posted December 18, 2016 I am ready for it. It would be perfect for me, since I have small hands, and already have the T visoflex. It would pair up nicely with my MP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 18, 2016 Share #392 Posted December 18, 2016 I do understand how you feel, and I agree wholeheartedly with you that the difference is minute---or at least much smaller than the weight difference---and in practical use rather inconsequential. Weight difference? M7 610 gr., M6 600 gr. M240 680 gr. M262 585 gr. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 18, 2016 Share #393 Posted December 18, 2016 All this could be a interesting strategy by Leica regress the m line to be more rangefinder type and cater for the purist mob thus having the freedom to innovate new technologies in the SL Q T etc lines and smartphone.......................... A good move this can also free Leica from the m240 range that really has no clear path of development within today's camera technology. Time for the M(Type 240/262 to be put to rest or become a doorstop I was chatting to a local wet-plate photographer on Friday (and this is quite true should you doubt it). His idea of progress is to consider trying out dry-plates. The wit-plate system is apparently awkward and somewhat limiting and constrained due to the sheer amount of equipment needed and carried. And the demise of the dRF would also see the demise of the M lens line. I suspect that this would be unacceptable to both Leica and many M camera owners. It would also leave Leica competing on a level playing field which would be less tolerant of higher pricing strategies. Go figure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 18, 2016 Share #394 Posted December 18, 2016 That's why the m10 should be a digital rangefinder first and foremost...... instead of progressing m240/262 into some wierd hybrid of "the lost thing" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 18, 2016 Share #395 Posted December 18, 2016 Not only that, but the M is essential to Leica's corporate image. Including its "traditional" aura, which is bolstered by removable baseplate, optical RF etc. Up till now Leica has been very careful to retain its positioning as "link to the past". And the demise of the dRF would also see the demise of the M lens line. I suspect that this would be unacceptable to both Leica and many M camera owners. It would also leave Leica competing on a level playing field which would be less tolerant of higher pricing strategies. Go figure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 18, 2016 Share #396 Posted December 18, 2016 Can you imagine a Leica dRF designed by committee ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 18, 2016 Share #397 Posted December 18, 2016 Very well, you only have to read the threads in this forum. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted December 18, 2016 Share #398 Posted December 18, 2016 ... and maybe get a used SL at some point, because of I'm really honest, an SL is probably exactly the camera I need... I thought along these lines and found that in use, the SL was the reverse of what I wanted. In my experience, it's too big, too heavy, and too slow to focus with manual lenses - and in the end I didn't like the EVF compared to the 5D3's optical VF. Once again - for 80% of my work the M does the job. I use a DSLR for the rest... 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted December 18, 2016 Share #399 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) I am definitively waiting for a Sony A7-like body for M lensesWhy? And why wait and not just buy the A7 if that's what you want? If you want rangefinder shaped like A7, prepare to never own that camera.. not going to happen. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Edited December 18, 2016 by jlindstrom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 18, 2016 Share #400 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) Why? And why wait and not just buy the A7 if that's what you want? If you want rangefinder shaped like A7, prepare to never own that camera.. not going to happen. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro I don't want an optical rangefinder at all, not anymore and not today, but I want to use my M lenses on a dedicated body and I am not alone Edited December 18, 2016 by siangue Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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