Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2017 Share #901 Posted January 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Ian. I'm looking forward to it now.. so much so I woke up this morning and thought it was today I was leaving! And thanks for the debate... I actually like the cut and thrust of these discussions... and it helps me clarify exactly what it is I would like... because very often what you think you want, actually isn't once you have looked into it... Thats why I find it hard to understand why some people just sit back and think its all a bit of a waste of time. If we are expecting Leica to react to what is said on here, then perhaps we are... but that not why I enjoy the engagement... Its so I can clarify in my own mind what I actually need, as opposed to what I think I need. And of course people come up with a slightly different solution which actually meets all my practical needs and at the same time would be more acceptable to others (such as the L mount on 'my' M) and I again find that discussion, even heated discussion, will nearly always result in a positive output if people hold their ground, or concede a point when its something they hadn't actually considered if it is shown to have some real merit. Thats why perseverance pays off. Sometimes people just test your conviction... I had a boss who would do that. We would have stand up arguments... and if I held my ground he would walk up afterwards and put his arm round me and just say... Good... I needed to know you were convinced of your argument as you will need to go out into the world and present it, and you find people will object initially, often because they either don't understand or they are testing your resolve... or simply that you hadn't presented it as well as the idea deserves. He was a good 'boss'... I think he fired me about five or six times... That's how heated we could get! (Why am I sharing all this? Clearly, I'm still pleased my Mercedes App is working...!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 4, 2017 Share #902 Posted January 4, 2017 Bill If the M10 speck is what I've been told it is I'll have one shipped to my B2B and have him hand carry it to me in Nigeria in time for my safari........... exciting [emoji3][emoji41][emoji3][emoji41][emoji3][emoji41] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2017 Share #903 Posted January 4, 2017 You will have to let us know exactly what it is all about then! (You have a pretty good life, don't you Neil! ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2017 Share #904 Posted January 4, 2017 It can "provide as much or as little information as you choose." But that's the bugaboo about EVFs, isn't it? So, you go out and you've turned off all the information. And then what? You're all a mess of self doubt because you turned it all off and then you second guess what, if any, difference all of it might have made with that last shot, or the shot before, or the shot before that. So if I interpret this correctly,an OVF is for decisive moments and an EVF for indecisive ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2017 Share #905 Posted January 4, 2017 Bill If the M10 speck is what I've been told it is I'll have one shipped to my B2B and have him hand carry it to me in Nigeria in time for my safari........... exciting [emoji3][emoji41][emoji3][emoji41][emoji3][emoji41] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Send ANYTHING to Nigeria? Living dangerously... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 4, 2017 Share #906 Posted January 4, 2017 If Leica thought like that in 1954, they would never have developed a viewfinder-rangefinder. Do you live in a time machine? If Leica thought like that in 1954 the whole company would be put into an asylum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M28 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #907 Posted January 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I might stick - I've never been unhappy with the M240 and don't like the alternatives, the next M must be something very special to upgrade. Jaap every time a new M is close , you say something similar. But you know as well as we all do We are too weak to resist!!!! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #908 Posted January 4, 2017 Hi Paul Well - I agree about the speed and the blackout time with the TL - but I guess that's more to do with the processor and the sensor than it is to do with the EVF. I agree. It's only relatively recently I came to realise that the performance of an EVF depended on a complexity of factors. I'm sure a new M will have a processor in advance of the M and TL, and possibly the SL as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 4, 2017 Share #909 Posted January 4, 2017 (You have a pretty good life, don't you Neil! ). ive only got one so I'm going to get as much as I can out of it ........ and some more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 4, 2017 Share #910 Posted January 4, 2017 Send ANYTHING to Nigeria? Living dangerously...hand carry Jaapv hand carry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2017 Share #911 Posted January 4, 2017 Jaap every time a new M is close , you say something similar. But you know as well as we all do We are too weak to resist!!!! :-) The last time I bought one was 2012... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 4, 2017 Share #912 Posted January 4, 2017 The last time I bought one was 2012... My my - it must be time for a new one! (and anyway, that's last time there WAS a new M) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2017 Share #913 Posted January 4, 2017 So now I say: Wait and see... Well, there was a Monochrom2, a bunch of other interesting variants, plenty to resist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 4, 2017 Share #914 Posted January 4, 2017 And thanks for the debate... I actually like the cut and thrust of these discussions... and it helps me clarify exactly what it is I would like... because very often what you think you want, actually isn't once you have looked into it... Thats why I find it hard to understand why some people just sit back and think its all a bit of a waste of time. Tibetan Buddhist monks have debating contests for similar reasons... as you say, it's a great way for clarifying ones thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 4, 2017 Share #915 Posted January 4, 2017 So now I say: Wait and see... Well, there was a Monochrom2, a bunch of other interesting variants, plenty to resist. Yes well, I'm inclined to agree - I managed to resist most of them, it'll be interesting to see if this one is as easy (the 262 was tempting . . ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 4, 2017 Share #916 Posted January 4, 2017 Only if they drop the OVF completely, as stated many times before. no one, that I am aware of, suggests the end of the ovf. What's not to like ? Well the EVF Why is it so difficult to understand that some users profoundly dislike an EVF, no matter how good it is, no matter what it's perceived advantages may be, no matter what camera it's on. Simple - buy one of the 8 versions of the M camera without an evf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 4, 2017 Share #917 Posted January 4, 2017 Simple - buy one of the 8 versions of the M camera without an evf. Correct.If the masses are expecting a new M with a rangefinder then they are going to be disappointed........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 4, 2017 Share #918 Posted January 4, 2017 I assume you mean EVF, Neil? I don't think anyone expects an EVF only M camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 4, 2017 Share #919 Posted January 4, 2017 I'd certainly like to see a camera in an M shaped body (and with similar controls and layout) with an EVF instead of a rangefinder - fantastic idea BUT It would be completely crazy not to give it an L mount, so that it had the possibility of using the SL and TL lenses as well as the M lenses - using the L mount would have no disadvantages and a host of advantages. . . . and if so, I'd contend that such a camera wouldn't sensibly be part of the M system - and ought to have a different name! At last some sense in the discussion . I would add that making an M shaped body with an EVF instead of a rangefinder with an M mount would have no advantages and a host of disadvantages. I have no problem at all with Jono's suggestion. I simply see an M camera with EVF as being a dead end for a whole host of disadvantageous technical reasons. The OVF RF camera on the other hand can continue to occupy it niche as it has for a very long time already. What's difficult to understand about this? Or should Leica really waste time and money to develop a pointless product? An M shaped body with an L mount on the other hand would be a very interesting possibility indeed. It would even be possible to offer one with an M mount permanently installed should anyone be daft enough to want this. I remember being asked if a multi-power manual and TT underwater flash unit could be supplied in manual only configuration. When I queried the manufacturer they said it could - they would simply lock out the TTL switch setting . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2017 Share #920 Posted January 4, 2017 I assume you mean EVF, Neil? I don't think anyone expects an EVF only M camera. I certainly don't expect an EVF M at this launch... I would absolutely amazed. If it's wishful thinking on Neil's part and he has ordered an M10 on the strength of rumour with instructions to go ahead with the purchase if those rumours prove to be true, then all well and good. But if Neil has some knowledge the rest of us don't, and he has already ordered one on the strength of it, then well... that will take care of a good part of my bonus at the end of the month!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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