Brett Cambern Posted June 14, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here's a link to an article about a new Kodak development that supposedly more than doubles the sensitivity of a sensor. New filter promises crisper photos - CNN.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Hi Brett Cambern, Take a look here Will this be used on the M9?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
DaveEP Posted June 14, 2007 Share #2 Posted June 14, 2007 Looks promising, but I would expect to see it on P&S cams first.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernd_muc Posted June 14, 2007 Share #3 Posted June 14, 2007 Looks promising, but I would expect to see it on P&S cams first...."Typically new features like this would be more likely to show up in high-end products and then trickle down," said analyst Steve Hoffenberg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 14, 2007 Share #4 Posted June 14, 2007 "Typically new features like this would be more likely to show up in high-end products and then trickle down," said analyst Steve Hoffenberg Ahh, so he means upmarket mobile phones <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted June 14, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 14, 2007 "Typically new features like this would be more likely to show up in high-end products and then trickle down," said analyst Steve Hoffenberg It all depends what you call high end though. While I would generally agree, high end P&S may get it simply because they are smaller sensors, so cheaper to get in to mass production, plus if a P&S flops, it's no big deal, if a Canon 1 Series or Nikon D2x were to flop, that a lot of work, reputation and profit down the drain..... There are lots of features on P&S cams that never even make it in to the higher end 'pro' stuff, so high 'consumer' is more likely to be it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted June 14, 2007 Share #6 Posted June 14, 2007 Here's a link to an article about a new Kodak development that supposedly more than doubles the sensitivity of a sensor. New filter promises crisper photos - CNN.com The real headline here is the replacement of the Bayer filter with a panchromatic one. Increasing the sensativety by 1 or 2 F stops would be pretty major as most of the sensitivity gains have already been exploited using other technologies like microlensing, etc Even though the point n' shoots would be the first benificiary, it is a technology that could be easily adapted to current high end sensors. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted June 14, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) for the insider article & technical details:- A Thousand Nerds: A Kodak blog about innovation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 14, 2007 Share #8 Posted June 14, 2007 The term "panchromatic" makes me feel something... maybe the magenta cast and/or cyan drift are on the way to become past problems ? Well, I'll change not my M8 for this reason... filters work fine and to have a filter always in front of the lens is an old rule... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted June 14, 2007 Share #9 Posted June 14, 2007 I had the same thought -- new Kodak sensor in the M9! -- when I read this news earlier today. If there ever is a M9 camera, some updating of the sensor technology will surely be incorporated. Leica would probably be receptive to the new sensor but any such excitement from such a small manufacturer as Leica would not cause the heart of Kodak's sales VP to skip any beats. Remember, Kodak is invariably oriented toward the mass market. (I speak as a former Kodak employee). I'm sure the technology is promising but we can expect Kodak's initial marketing efforts to be aimed at larger fish than the ones currently swimming in Solms. Kodak will have the most impact with this new technology in low end units times millions of units. Consider this: the original Bayer Pattern was a Kodak patent way back in 1976 when film was the undisputed King in both amateur and professional usage! Imagine the doggedness of Mr. Bayer, in his white Kodak lab coat, as he plodded through the then film-crazy Kodak bureaucracy to get his science project funded, completed, evaluated and properly patented. Let's hope the Bayer family received more than a year's supply of Instamatic cameras after his invention was patented. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 14, 2007 Share #10 Posted June 14, 2007 Gosh! The magic name INSTAMATIC ! Just to chat, has someone ever had into his hands that superstrange, pretentious, market-failures that were the Instamatic SLRs ? Time ago I passed by a Rolleiflex 126 (or 26 ?) that was for sale at cheap, but maybe could be an interesting collectible.. seem to remember that also Zeiss made an Instamatic Contaflex (or Icarex ?)... Is there someone who still produces that kind of film ? ...sorry in advance for this completely OT post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 14, 2007 Share #11 Posted June 14, 2007 I don't think there's any point in producing an M9 without a step change in sensor technology first. With fast lenses, the existing sensor is hardly lacking in sensitivity so if the new technology can be used to reduce noise instead, all well and good. Whether it can tame the IR sensitivity is another matter. Sadly, the quantum physics processes involved in making a sensor work have no knowledge of the characteristics of the human eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted June 14, 2007 Share #12 Posted June 14, 2007 I hope and presume that Leica's optical materials division, or what is left of it, is hard at work on making more effective, thinner, IR filters, both for the M9 and for retrofitting on the M8. This is still by far the worst aspect of the M8 (ignoring its interesting side-use as an IR camera), the SDS notwithstanding. While the latter is clearly more serious for those affected, the former affects everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 14, 2007 Share #13 Posted June 14, 2007 I don't think there's any point in producing an M9 without a step change in sensor technology first. I agree. This new filter technology is one such step change. It will be available for mass production in one year or more. The M9 would need two or more years. Many things will change in that time frame... (microprocessors, LCD screens, batteries... ). The M9 will be a much improved "electronic" device, but the R10 will arrive sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted June 14, 2007 Share #14 Posted June 14, 2007 I might be missing something, but my understanding of this new filter idea is that it will increase sensitivity (i.e. let you take pictures in lower light) at the expense of some color resolution. Higher sensitivity, especially coupled with lower noise, would be great, but I'm not sure I'd be prepared to trade it for color resolution. Cheers, Kent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted June 15, 2007 Share #15 Posted June 15, 2007 Here's a link to an article about a new Kodak development that supposedly more than doubles the sensitivity of a sensor. New filter promises crisper photos - CNN.com The M9 will probably use one of those filters. In front of every lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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