M.Hilo Posted October 29, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, I found a Reprovit II with attached to it a Valoy II enlarger. Between the Reprovit's arm and the Valoy II enlarger stage there is a connecting piece, made by Leitz for this purpose. In this post I attach a picture of the connecting piece. Can someone tell me more about this? Did you ever see it in one of the Leitz catalogs? I would like to know the code number for this connecting part, and when it was made. In the next post I will attach another picture of the entire setup Thanks, Michael Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3137709'>More sharing options...
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M.Hilo Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share #2 Posted October 29, 2016 Another picture Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3137710'>More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted October 30, 2016 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2016 Another pictureWhen I used these items in the 70's the plate was part of the Valoy and you could use the valoy column as a copy stand. from the 1961 catalog Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted October 30, 2016 Thanks you for the response ! Yes, I am familiar with the parts shown in your 1961 catalog. My purpose for everything re Leitz has to do with their enlargers and to be able to print with them. I use Focomats 1c and 2c, and the Valoy II. For many years it was my wish to turn the Valoy II enlarger into a mature enlarger that can print up to 50X60cm (20X24). I wanted to create a permanent set-up, with a solution for the enlarger itself - not by turning it around to make exposures on lower positioned paper. I tried for a long time to find the last part on that page, 16744T or OKLMO as it is also called. Thinking a Valoy II column against a Focomat 1c column was a good solution. The OKLMO or 16744T is the connecting piece for that purpose. I never found it, but at one point I realised it would not work. The lens would sit too close to the column when going up to the sizes I print and the easel would bump into the column. So I changed the plan and had a piece made from aluminium, which works fine. Then, recently, I noticed someone selling the Reprovit II with the Valoy II head attached. I asked if it was a Leitz made solution, or self made. I was done by Leitz, which is not difficult to understand once you see the part. And, it is exclusively for the Valoy II as on the connecter the red filter's bracket attaches into a certain size slot only seen with this enlarger. So I got this Reprovit/Valoy II and like it a lot. Now I am trying to find some information . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 31, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 31, 2016 It is similar but NOT identical to the 16748 - OKYNO quoted hereunder (1964 catalog) : but looks like the ValoyII was listed also as "lamp unit only" complete with ana adapter for Reprovit column (1957 catalog). A French catalog also lists this capability, not detailing code. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3138952'>More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted October 31, 2016 Luigi, thank you ! Do you think the VOOLY listed in your 1957 catalog is the Valoy II enlarger head (including the stage) plus the adapter? Attached some more pictures, also in a next seperate post Michael Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3139096'>More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted October 31, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is this arm standard for the Reprovit II ? Indeed it is different from the Valoy II arm. The main difference is the Reprovit II arm goes around a simple round column (same size as the Focomat 1c btw) and the Valoy II arm goes onto the special Valoy II column, which has a rail up front. The V II arm also has the large finetuning knob Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3139099'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 31, 2016 Share #8 Posted October 31, 2016 Luigi, thank you ! Do you think the VOOLY listed in your 1957 catalog is the Valoy II enlarger head (including the stage) plus the adapter? ... Michael I am almost 100% sure... I have checked another catalog of mine (1955-1958) : and the VOOLY is decribed exactly like this : "VALOY II (special model) with adaptor for use as enlarger on the Reprovit II copying stand" And, looking at prices, all looks consistent : - VUOOW : VALOY II complete : 46,56 US$ - VOOLY : 29,04 US$ - VUROO : VALOY II as copying stand with 65 cm column : 24,24 US$ (in a certain sense, sort of a "VUOOW without VOOLY") ... just to complicate things... in another catalog, when Valoy II wasn't anymore listed, having been introduced the Focomat, they still listed code 17503 as "Valoy II enlarger head to convert Valoy II copying stand (to say, the above VUROO) to enlarger" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted October 31, 2016 Share #9 Posted October 31, 2016 I am almost 100% sure... I have checked another catalog of mine (1955-1958) : and the VOOLY is decribed exactly like this : "VALOY II (special model) with adaptor for use as enlarger on the Reprovit II copying stand" And, looking at prices, all looks consistent : - VUOOW : VALOY II complete : 46,56 US$ - VOOLY : 29,04 US$ - VUROO : VALOY II as copying stand with 65 cm column : 24,24 US$ (in a certain sense, sort of a "VUOOW without VOOLY") ... just to complicate things... in another catalog, when Valoy II wasn't anymore listed, having been introduced the Focomat, they still listed code 17503 as "Valoy II enlarger head to convert Valoy II copying stand (to say, the above VUROO) to enlarger" came across this enlarger on ebay with another variation of column mounting. http://picclick.co.uk/Leica-Leitz-Vasex-I-Photographic-Enlarger-Vintage-121940580376.html Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted October 31, 2016 Again, thank you Luigi ! That looks conclusive. I am trying to imagine what this meant in a practical sense. Was this meant as a service to Reprovit II owners? At little expense and not loosing more space a Reprovit II owner could have an enlarger. And actually it is by far the better Valoy II made: the normal Valoy II can print a maximum size of, give or take, 30X40cm when using an easel. The Valoy II on the Reprovit II comes easily to 40X50cm and still a little larger. I say the latter knowing this is not very precise, easels differ from each other and of course we can print without easels too. For those not familiar with printing: when one brings up the enlarger head the projected image not only becomes larger, it also comes nearer to the enlarger's column. The easel is used to hold the paper in place and going up too much causes the easel to bump into the column. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 31, 2016 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2016 Yes, Pierovitch... indeed, all another breed : it's a VASEX, to say a professional enlarger for up to 6x9 film : a pre-wear item with other kinds of column, base, etc... in comparision with the 35mm postwar Valoy II : I think that the item you found for sale is really rather rare, nowadays... pity it is not complete... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 31, 2016 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2016 Again, thank you Luigi ! That looks conclusive. I am trying to imagine what this meant in a practical sense. Was this meant as a service to Reprovit II owners? At little expense and not loosing more space a Reprovit II owner could have an enlarger. ... I think it's another proof of how smart was Leitz in engineering "modular" components... keeping in consideration the limitations, in terms of physical space, that a small lab can suffer : before the widespread diffusion of xerocopy, the "copy by photo" was a common job... maybe at the same level as enlarging... and to have, in your lab/darkroom, a SINGLE wooden base + column instead of two (one for reprocopy, another for enlarger) was probably a much appreciated factor.... to make a parallel with today, just imagine of how comfortable is, for standard office usage, to have a printer + scan single unit (with copy facility) instead of printer + scanner... less space, less cables, easier to keep clean... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted November 1, 2016 came across this enlarger on ebay with another variation of column mounting. For sure a rare enlager ! When looking at the enlarger head it is obvious this design was heading to Focomat IIa and IIc. The early IIa also came with just one lens, the later IIa and the IIc came with two lenses. I did not know this Vasex I, but from the attached illustration it is clear the design of the column, with the balancing counterweight and the top part for the steel wire, it has everything to do with the Reprovit II. Luigi, you are right about Leitz being also very 'practical' with designing certain parts. Just looking at where their enlargers evolved into, I also begin to understand how smart their systems were to move these heavy machines up and down. I am mostly familiar with the last generations Valoy II, Focomat Ic and Focomat IIc - simply because these I have used for more than 35 years, and still use today. Each one of these has a different, and very precise, system to move the enlarger up or down without any effort. Finding the Reprovit / Valoy II shows still another system. Also very precise and I must say the counter weight going sliding up and down is beautiful - rather like a futuristic elevator in a Hitchcock movie. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265952-reprovit-ii-and-valoy-ii-enlarger/?do=findComment&comment=3139415'>More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted November 29, 2016 Share #14 Posted November 29, 2016 looks like mine except I don`t have the counterweight, just the squeeze and fine control knob. Mine is also two columns, front and rear, and they double extend to around 5 feet, maybe more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hilo Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share #15 Posted November 30, 2016 Tobey, thanks ! Is it possible to send some pictures ? I also sent you a private message with my email if this makes it easier . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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