TomB_tx Posted October 31, 2016 Share #41 Posted October 31, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Still though, it is quite a bit more silent than my M6 which works flawless. Maybe the different body materials have an effect on the volume of the shutter sound? The curtain brake adjustment affects the shutter sound, as does the lubrication. My M4&6 quieted after getting serviced (after some decades of use). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colint544 Posted October 31, 2016 Share #42 Posted October 31, 2016 Think it definitely comes down to individual cameras rather than what model number of M, especially after many years have passed. I'm fortunate enough to have three analogue Ms - an M2, M4, and M5. The M4 and M5 are from 1974 and 1975 respectively, and the shutter sound on those cameras is almost identical. Crisp, tight, and mechanical sounding. The M2, of 1966 vintage, went off to Kanto Camera in 2013, for a full service. They cleared some condensation from the viewfinder and fitted a new shutter roller. It came back a different camera. The controls spin effortlessly and the shutter is all but inaudible. Just the most subtle "click" when you press the button. Much quieter than the other two. Can't speak for the M-A or MP. But anyway, I'd say there will always be variations between even identical machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 31, 2016 Share #43 Posted October 31, 2016 The sharp zing is a note that it's getting a little dry. Is it used much? It was my primary camera for twenty years ; but for the last few years it has become secondary to the M9 and M-A. Will more use help - or does it need a CLA ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 31, 2016 Share #44 Posted October 31, 2016 It was my primary camera for twenty years ; but for the last few years it has become secondary to the M9 and M-A. Will more use help - or does it need a CLA ? After 20 years a CLA is more than welcome IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 31, 2016 Share #45 Posted October 31, 2016 I have two M6 ttl bodies, one a .58, the other .85 and I also have an MP. I prefer the large shutter dial of the M6 ttl, but for some reason like the MP's rewind better than the '6's crank! The MP has, in my opinion, a higher quality "feel" to it, but one that's not worth the price difference. Bottom line for me is that either type is a pleasure to own, although not quite as pleasing as the mint M2-R I was fortunate enough to acquire a few years ago; now there's a gorgeous camera. M6 or MP, I don't know if there is a real price difference if you buy them used. I mean, the price of the cameras will stay the price, so if you want to trade it in, you won't loose any money. My first MP I bought new for € 2250 inclusive an Leicavit. Sold it for € 2850 when I needed the money. The only money I lost was on a new MP a la carte, although the trade-in M240 was very well priced. I am sure that the used MP I have bought a few years ago is worth more than what I payed for it already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted November 1, 2016 Share #46 Posted November 1, 2016 The M7 is a whole different approach to the M camera IMHO. I can't operate without batteries for one thing.. Yes but the batteries last for ages! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted November 1, 2016 Share #47 Posted November 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) What a great topic, with some refreshing posts. I previously had the MP but sold it for the M8. A camera which I still have, use and love. Now I have two M6s, both classics. I managed to get a Ti version initially, as I didn't want a zinc top plate - no real reason, just a preference. But now I have a proper M6, in chrome, made of zinc. And you know what... it really doesn't make a difference! Sure I keep searching for MPs on the second hand market but can't justify the cost... its nice having two film bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 1, 2016 Share #48 Posted November 1, 2016 It's possible that further refinements/cheapening of the RF between M6 and M6TTL (possibly linked to the availability of a choice of magnifications) may have exacerbated the flare but it may simply have been a product of the times – the growth of internet forums and associated chatter around the time that the M6TTL was the current model (M6 users had been more quietly getting on with using the cameras all those years). The M6TTL was bad enough for Leicagoodies to sell a piece of polaroid to stick onto the rangefinder window. It worked, more or less, - but fell off in hot weather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 1, 2016 Share #49 Posted November 1, 2016 The M6TTL was bad enough for Leicagoodies to sell a piece of polaroid to stick onto the rangefinder window. It worked, more or less, - but fell off in hot weather. I owned more than one M6TTL and the camera is not remotely "bad" though I do acknowledge that the flare out problem is real. I'm not sure what your point is though – Leica goodies is/was an internet business and sold all sorts of bits and bobs that appeal to internet forum types. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 1, 2016 Share #50 Posted November 1, 2016 The point is that they apparently saw a market for a flare cure - proving that there were not just a few owners who felt it was an issue. I personally only used it for a short time as I was not greatly bothered. If the rangefinder has a whiteout, which happens only sporadically, moving the camera fractionally solves the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comte de Mazan Posted November 1, 2016 Share #51 Posted November 1, 2016 … I made a small mistake, i edited it on "i love my MP".. but i love it also! Hello, i found a list of how the MP differs from the M6: Viewfinder · All optical parts are now coated; - The viewfinder window has a new scratch-resistant coating; - The roof prism has a black coating to reduce stray light; - Improved illumination of the viewfinder frame and increased 2nd image contrast; - Flare reduction by adding an extra lens in the vicinity of the masks; - To provide better illumination of the viewfinder frame and a reduction in reflection, the shape and the hole contour allowing light in the viewfinder was changed; - The top cover is milled from one piece in brass, which ensures in the advent of heavy mechanical stress distortion is largely excluded; - A two-stage battery icon informs about the condition of the batteries; Electronics - The exposure meter electronics have been revised and updated; - A processor now allows a digital regulation for programming in production and servicing. By avoiding the use of potentiometers, the durability and stability are increased; - Improved linearity of the exposure meter ensures accurate exposures over the entire operating range; - A voltage regulator ensures the correct supply voltage even with weak batteries; Flash mode - It can now also sync flashes with the camera without a battery in the camera; (The camera does not support TTL flash mode). - The starting slope of the hot shoe is integrated into the housing; Film advance: - The film advance is smoother and softer with optimized gear shapes; - Through better friction material selection, the friction disc of the film reel enables a quieter film transport and a higher long-term stability; Scope Of Supply: · Additional battery cover with coin slot is provided; Shutter: - The ground plate of the shutter brake is now made of a bronze alloy, whereby the adjustments remain more stable and durable; - The saddle spring for the friction brake is now made of a wear-resistant material; - The saddle spring of the friction brake is also made thinner in order to increase its reaction speed; - The leaf spring for the brake (yet another leaf spring in the camera) is changed from bronze to more durable steel; - A more elastic second friction spring has been chosen to provide better possibilities of adjustment and to guarantee long-term stability; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #52 Posted November 2, 2016 Yes but the batteries last for ages! Except when they die. Then, they don't last anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted November 2, 2016 Share #53 Posted November 2, 2016 Except when they die. Then, they don't last anymore. Just like the shutter I suppose, or the advance lever, or any number of parts that must work for the camera to operate. Luckily the batteries are easy to replace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted November 2, 2016 Share #54 Posted November 2, 2016 It was my primary camera for twenty years ; but for the last few years it has become secondary to the M9 and M-A. Will more use help - or does it need a CLA ? I'd try more use if it bothers you and avoid a CLA unless absolutely necessary. Mechanical objects, despite the belief from others, can not be opened up and adjusted indefinitely. Wear occurs every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted November 2, 2016 Share #55 Posted November 2, 2016 Except when they die. Then, they don't last anymore. I'd be interested to hear from those who have been affected by this issue. How tricky is it to carry a few spare batteries? I carry spare SR44s, just in case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 2, 2016 Share #56 Posted November 2, 2016 I'd try more use if it bothers you and avoid a CLA unless absolutely necessary. Mechanical objects, despite the belief from others, can not be opened up and adjusted indefinitely. Wear occurs every time. In my opinion the chain of a bike need lubrication one in a while and sometimes it's better to clean mechanical things that have to move and sometimes you have to replace a moving part. A 20 year old M without CLA ( Clean , Lubricate, adjust ) will suffer inside if you keep using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted November 2, 2016 Share #57 Posted November 2, 2016 In my opinion the chain of a bike need lubrication one in a while and sometimes it's better to clean mechanical things that have to move and sometimes you have to replace a moving part. A 20 year old M without CLA ( Clean , Lubricate, adjust ) will suffer inside if you keep using it. But the chain of a bike is not sealed in a box. A better analogy would be the freewheel, which is precise, lightly greased, sealed, and doesn't really appreciate being taken apart and put back together. Sometimes the grease clumps a bit if not used, but spin it for an hour and it softens and comes back to its original glory. But of course if there is dirt in there, or something is worn out then that's a different story. Hence my advice to see if the issue goes away with a little use before jumping into a CLA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #58 Posted November 2, 2016 I'd be interested to hear from those who have been affected by this issue. How tricky is it to carry a few spare batteries? I carry spare SR44s, just in case. As tricky as that one last film roll that I always seem to forget at home. Somehow, and I don't know why, it always seems to happen exactly when it shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #59 Posted November 2, 2016 Just like the shutter I suppose, or the advance lever, or any number of parts that must work for the camera to operate. Luckily the batteries are easy to replace. This outsmarting attempt is quite futile. A backup camera is there for this very reason. And a batteryless backup camera is a sound proposition. Godforbid, imagine an inoperable backup camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted November 2, 2016 Share #60 Posted November 2, 2016 This outsmarting attempt is quite futile. A backup camera is there for this very reason. And a batteryless backup camera is a sound proposition. Godforbid, imagine an inoperable backup camera. Futile? Seriously get a hold of yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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