HighNoot Posted October 9, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does this camera offer any 2K(or higher) @60pfs (or higher) video option? Also, if anyone could link a video of unedited 4K footage that has motion in it (i.e. cars moving fast, people practicing sports, etc.) that would be great. Thank you :] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scott kirkpatrick Posted October 9, 2016 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2016 I think the SL offers 4K at 30 fps and HD at 60, but you should read the specs or wait for a video expert to be more precise. It is deriving the 4K from a Super35 area just inside the APS-C part of the chip that is covered by T and C lenses, and I assume the same is true of HD but don't know that for sure. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted October 10, 2016 I think the SL offers 4K at 30 fps and HD at 60, but you should read the specs or wait for a video expert to be more precise. It is deriving the 4K from a Super35 area just inside the APS-C part of the chip that is covered by T and C lenses, and I assume the same is true of HD but don't know that for sure. scott I read the specs, I just find it weird that the SL doesn't offer a resolution between 4K and 1080p (at least from reading the specs on the website). Even the little GoPro offers 2.7K @60fps. Are they planning or already added this option in a firmware update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 10, 2016 Share #4 Posted October 10, 2016 4K capable cameras, be they from Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Panasonic, or Sony, generally don’t offer an intermediate resolution between the standard TV resolutions 4K and 2K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted October 11, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 11, 2016 This video thread has maybe more info: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/260672-guide-to-sl-video/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted October 11, 2016 This video thread has maybe more info: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/260672-guide-to-sl-video/ Thanks, but to no avail. 4K capable cameras, be they from Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Panasonic, or Sony, generally don’t offer an intermediate resolution between the standard TV resolutions 4K and 2K. Dang it :/ This camera seemed like the perfect combination between weight and image quality, but the lack of an higher frame rate at 4K is a big turnoff for me. Oh well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted October 11, 2016 Share #7 Posted October 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Before it was between HD and 4k, now it is above 4k .... Oh well .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted October 11, 2016 Before it was between HD and 4k, now it is above 4k .... Oh well .... Still is, I didn't say I wanted it to be above 4K, just wanted it to have an higher fps. If there was at least an option for 2K @60fps I would be very happy, but since no one gave me a clear answer I think it's safe to say there isn't one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 11, 2016 Share #9 Posted October 11, 2016 Still is, I didn't say I wanted it to be above 4K, just wanted it to have an higher fps. If there was at least an option for 2K @60fps I would be very happy, but since no one gave me a clear answer I think it's safe to say there isn't one? 1080 in increments up to 120fps. Then 4k in 24/25/30 Nothing in-between. Taking a break from editing client work... And the camera happens to be sitting on the desk next to me so you are welcome. Although I'm surprised this isn't on the spec sheet. BTW, for best results you'll want a external recorder. You'll get 10bit 4:2:2 vs 8bit 4:2:0 AFAIKR. I've seen the difference between the two on a friends mac, as he's using his SL for video work, since like me, he's not a fan of the native AF lenses right now. And It's worth spending the $$$ on an external recorder if you're serious. Though at that point, you're damn close to the price of a few cameras that can stomp on the SL video wise.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 12, 2016 Share #10 Posted October 12, 2016 Thanks, but to no avail. Dang it :/ This camera seemed like the perfect combination between weight and image quality, but the lack of an higher frame rate at 4K is a big turnoff for me. Oh well. Shutter rate isn't an "elective option" in digital cinema, it is a worldwide standard at 24 frames. Experiments with other frame-rates like 48 and 60 frames, have been just experiments and have not proven to be very satisfactory. When you shoot with a motion picture camera at 24 frames with a standard 180 degree shutter angle, the exposure time is 1/48th of a second leaving rapidly moving objects blurred like they should be. Our eye sees them as blurred too, that is our normal perception of motion. As Walt Disney discovered when he went from the pencil sketch animation of Steamboat Willie to Fantasia, the first feature-length animation, Motion Blur is a good thing. It contributes to a realistic portrayal of motion. Beginning with Fantasia, Disney painted “speed lines” (motion blur) into every frame that contained motion. That was one of the major visual breakthroughs introduced with the movie Fantasia. Motion blur exists In the real world. A moving object leaves an impression of its path in our visual system – a smear. In modern animation, the motion blur rule of thumb is: if an object moves more than half its size between any two frames, motion blur must be added. Removing Motion Blur, as in HFR, is a bug, not a feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 12, 2016 Share #11 Posted October 12, 2016 This camera seemed like the perfect combination between weight and image quality, but the lack of an higher frame rate at 4K is a big turnoff for me. But then, most cameras would disappoint you. The only camera I have found that supports higher framerates than 30p in 4K mode is the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II. And I wonder what you need these framerates for. 24p is good enough for movie theatres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 12, 2016 Share #12 Posted October 12, 2016 Indeed, you can shoot higher frame rates, if you prefer poor motion portrayal in your images. But, you can't do anything with the images. Movie theatres can't screen them, TV stations can't broadcast them, and film festivals won't accept them. I have no idea if YouTube can stream them, (I have never tried to upload any images at that frame rate). But even if the could, the average viewer will see them at 23.975 FPS on their computer monitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted October 12, 2016 I have no idea if YouTube can stream them, (I have never tried to upload any images at that frame rate). But even if the could, the average viewer will see them at 23.975 FPS on their computer monitor. Yes, Youtube allows 4K @60fps (thought I think the video quality is reduced for streaming) and the difference from 24/30fps is huge, in my opinion... So smooth --- A lot of cameras can capture 4K @60 or higher fps (RED cameras come to mind) but they are too heavy for me to carry and travel around, hence why I'm looking for "compact" cameras. Edit: "But even if the could, the average viewer will see them at 23.975 FPS on their computer monitor." Why do you say this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 13, 2016 Share #14 Posted October 13, 2016 Because that is the refresh rate of their monitors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share #15 Posted October 13, 2016 I think most monitors are at least 60hz so playing vids at 60fps won't be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 14, 2016 Share #16 Posted October 14, 2016 The issue that you are referring to is original image motion captutre not TV set display frame rates. Harry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 14, 2016 Share #17 Posted October 14, 2016 I think most monitors are at least 60hz so playing vids at 60fps won't be a problem. "Frame rate, also known as "frame frequency", is the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device displays consecutive images called frames. The term applies equally to film and video cameras, computer graphics, and motion capture systems. Frame rate is usually expressed in frames per second (FPS)." "Different manufacturers use many names for their strobed backlight technologies for reducing motion blur on sample-and-hold LCD displays. Generic names include black frame insertion and scanning backlight." these quotes (which are quite correct) are from Wikipedia. All of these tricks make HFR (High Frame Rates) more palatable to our eyes, but they don't fix motion blur. Motion Blur defects are caused by sharp images of what should be motion blurs. These are basic principles of motion picture film and of digital cinema. Harry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighNoot Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share #18 Posted October 14, 2016 Didn't know about that, thank you. I just started getting into video making (vlogs) so when it comes to technical terms like this my knowledge is zero :s. Edit: Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted October 15, 2016 Share #19 Posted October 15, 2016 Happy to help, this is what I have been doing for years. Film, digital cinema cinematography — and for fun and creative expression — photography. You may be interested in my new book: The Death & Rebirth of Cinema: MASTERING THE ART OF CINEMATOGRAPHY IN THE DIGITAL CINEMA AGE, by Harry Mathias, (Waterfront Press, Published Dec. 2015, ISBN 978-1943625147, It's on Amazon and many local bookstores It covers many of these topics. Harry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 15, 2016 Share #20 Posted October 15, 2016 Happy to help, this is what I have been doing for years. Film, digital cinema cinematography — and for fun and creative expression — photography. You may be interested in my new book: The Death & Rebirth of Cinema: MASTERING THE ART OF CINEMATOGRAPHY IN THE DIGITAL CINEMA AGE, by Harry Mathias, (Waterfront Press, Published Dec. 2015, ISBN 978-1943625147, It's on Amazon and many local bookstores It covers many of these topics. Harry Your book gets great reviews, and sounds like something I would want for stimulation as well as reference. But it is priced up in the Puts stratosphere, and I would first want to get some much more focused and practical guide to using my SL (and some IBIS-equipped Olympus M5.2's) for HD and 4K documentary and just fun video. Stuff like formats, encodings, log profiles that have to be understood to get it out of the camera and into Final Cut. Good quality sound. Lighting -- when do you need it. One man shooting vs. crew work. What do you suggest as good sites or books as starting points in video? I had a team that did instructional stuff in MD on time-coded casettes 10+ years ago, but that seems like very long ago. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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