Guest VVJ Posted October 7, 2016 Share #21  Posted October 7, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry to say I'm in the same boat as Robert, I have sold my T as well. The indecision of "what's next" plus a buyer that was happy to take it was too much for me. All that remains is a set of strap lugs, not sure what I'll do with them. And like Robert indicates, it gives the eyes time to wander to other manufacturers. I am eyeing the new Fujis a lot closer now. Gary  Is that for the second time that you sold it?  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbealnz Posted October 8, 2016 Share #22 Â Posted October 8, 2016 It was my second foray into the T, yes. First one I loved, but decided to sell. This latest one was a whim, while the prices were ridiculous. I still like the T, but I was faced with either spending more on T lenses, or selling up altogether, and starting over. It allows me to tread water for a while, decide what system I want in digital, as more and more I am shooting film. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted October 8, 2016 Share #23  Posted October 8, 2016 It was my second foray into the T, yes. First one I loved, but decided to sell. This latest one was a whim, while the prices were ridiculous. I still like the T, but I was faced with either spending more on T lenses, or selling up altogether, and starting over. It allows me to tread water for a while, decide what system I want in digital, as more and more I am shooting film. Gary  With regards to your comment about eyeing Fuji, I did own the Fuji X-Pro1, the X100S and the X-T1 at a certain moment in time.  One reason for leaving Fuji was that I liked the (ergonomics of) Leica bodies better (although Fuji bodies themselves are not bad and IMHO better than e.g. Sony bodies).  Another reason was the mushy buttons of the X-T1.  I was an early adaptor and Fuji never addressed that issue in the US.  A huge mistake as far as I am concerned from Fuji...  And another reason was that I owned other bodies of Leica and for consistency wanted to standardize on the same brand...  That being said, Fuji glass is equally great, and Fuji I feel is much more committed to APS-C than Leica.  They also have a pretty complete system with 20+ lenses whereas Leica's lens line-up after 2.5 years with 6 lenses is still a bit underwhelming... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPiet Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share #24 Â Posted October 11, 2016 Well, here's to another former T owner. I could not take all the uncertaincy and missing dedication to the T by Leica any more, or at least it made me look around - and I realized that my focus of photographic fields has shifted quite a lot in the last two years and there are better cameras for what i do now. So my T is now up for sale here on the forums - i had secretly hoped for a professionalization of the system ever since the SL came out, but that does not seem to happen it seems. So long my dear friend T, you've been a great company for quite a bit and gave me great images but it's time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted October 11, 2016 Share #25 Â Posted October 11, 2016 I hope someone from Leica AG is reading this thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2016 Share #26 Â Posted October 11, 2016 I don't understand why Leica won't announce if/when a replacement is coming. Â The funny thing to me is that the T is a perfectly good camera. I don't see why Leica "discontinued" it long before they announced a replacement. Â This achieved nothing positive for them. Rather, it has become a self-created problem that is prompting marketplace questions and for their customers to flee. Â Maybe Leica needs to focus on improving their marketing... They also totally blew the marketing introduction of the XV, which sealed that under-rated camera's fate and killed it. Â I hope this isn't deja vu. I like my T quite a bit, and I am not otherwise looking to upgrade or replace it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 11, 2016 Share #27  Posted October 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leica T and Fuji have very different user interface, so it really depends what one prefers. I don't think anybody being happy with T interface will love Fuji, and the other way around.  However I get the impression that for some people it is hard to use a camera longer than 1 year without starting to replace it with a new model. For those Sony/Fuji are clearly the better solution since there will always come upgrades more often compared to Leica.  I understand if people say they don't like the T-user interface and therefore don't like the camera. But why would one sell a camera/system, which one did like 4 weeks ago just because the next evolution step announcement comes 3 months earlier or later? We have a T and a series of very good lenses which one can buy and use.  The contrast are the new medium format cameras from Hassy and Fuji, it is not even possible to buy or use them, but everyone already knows how good they will work.  I believe if we always wait and hope for the next generation we miss the present moment. And lets be honest, the next generation will be a little better (maybe) but not worlds better.(no matter if we talk Leica or Oly or Fuji or whatever brand) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted October 11, 2016 Share #28 Â Posted October 11, 2016 Hmmmm. Sorry to see the T owners selling. Even though the current model is discontinued, I still love mine....and now have two with one converted to infrared which I highly recommend. It's a joy. A good camera is a good camera. I do feel Leica has let us down by not being clear about future models, leaving us hanging. But I don't intend to sell mine. Of course, am in a slightly different boat having multiple systems with an M, Q and T....and hopefully by end of the year a medium format. Of all the ones I own, the T is probably my favorite to shoot even though the other two are superior. Great ergonomics with M lenses, the T is. At least, for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted October 11, 2016 Share #29  Posted October 11, 2016 I have an other guess. Given the fact that some T users have invested into several T/TL lenses (I had ), if the T camera desappears by some way, these users will be pusched to the SL system (rentabilizing the T lenses). Money talking for Leica it would be a good strategy... given the respective prices comparaison for the two cameras...Personnaly I would be not very happy  with this scenario cause I like the T form factor and found the SL much too bulky. This is of course only my opinion! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted October 11, 2016 Share #30  Posted October 11, 2016 I have an other guess. Given the fact that some T users have invested into several T/TL lenses (I had ), if the T camera desappears by some way, these users will be pusched to the SL system (rentabilizing the T lenses). Money talking for Leica it would be a good strategy... given the respective prices comparaison for the two cameras...Personnaly I would be not very happy  with this scenario cause I like the T form factor and found the SL much too bulky. This is of course only my opinion! Keep in mind that the TL lenses are cropped on the SL, producing far lower resolution than the T. I would never buy an SL and use T lenses. Better to dump them for M lenses or other lenses meant for full frame. So, there must be a future camera meant for these lenses, surely. And more in line with the price point of the T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 11, 2016 Share #31 Â Posted October 11, 2016 I don't understand why Leica won't announce if/when a replacement is coming. From time to time Leica did pre-announce a new model, i.e. announce it months before it was actually ready to ship. Not everyone was happy with that. These days they usually announce new models only when they are ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted October 11, 2016 Share #32  Posted October 11, 2016 I really don't understand why some folks think that there is no successor to T. Dr Kaufman was very clear that there will be a TL!... http://www.infofotografi.com/blog/2016/10/wawancara-dengan-dr-andreas-kauffman-dan-stefan-schulz-leica/  We don't yet have any details about this camera or when it would be announced or released, but there will be one!  Also, it would make lots of sens for the Leica line-up to have an interchangeable APS-C camera. They are not making all the recent TL lenses, or renaming the older T lenses to TL, for nothing!... I think we are eager to know about this new camera ASAP, therefore all the speculations about stopping the line, etc... Also, I am sure (at least I hope) leica is not trying to compete with Fuji, Sony, etc.... leica users are completely different from the all-in-one Japanese camera users. Leica have always said that they are focused on "Photography"; and, hopefully not on bells and whistles of all-in-one cameras. I like my camera to be simple with simple interface, good sensor and good available lenses,  without all that complicated electronics, so I can concentrate on my photography!.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted October 11, 2016 Share #33 Â Posted October 11, 2016 Â Louis you are right we know there will be a TL but we do not know if it will be similar to the actual T in shape, size and interface (probably an upgraded sensor and related electronic ) which in my case could be very attractive or it will be a completely different camera (maybe with better performances) but only sharing the T the mount and related lenses. Â And we do not have an idea when... Â robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elopezso Posted October 11, 2016 Share #34 Â Posted October 11, 2016 I can only agree with the concerns listed by most here! Â I am going on a trip to Cuba soon. Â I would be eager to purchase the new Leica TL if it had a built in EVF. Â I currently own the D Lux 109 but would like a camera that would produce larger and more robust files. Â Th problem is that I do not know when the new TL will be produced, even if the old T has been discontinued. Â Additionally, I do not know whether it will have an EVF built in. Â This is a dilemma as tim tis of the essence to me. Â If Leica does not make an announcement soon, I will purchase a Fuji xt2 with the kit lens and 23mm f2 for low light shots in Cuba. Â elopezso Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 11, 2016 Share #35  Posted October 11, 2016 I really don't understand why some folks think that there is no successor to T. Dr Kaufman was very clear that there will be a TL!... http://www.infofotografi.com/blog/2016/10/wawancara-dengan-dr-andreas-kauffman-dan-stefan-schulz-leica/ It is a bit hard to follow the rough transcription of the interview but I don’t think a successor to the T was explicitly mentioned. Dr. Andreas Kaufmann was mostly talking about the TL system and its lenses. That doesn’t mean there won’t be a successor; after all the original roadmap for the T system already featured a successor to the original T body. But there has been no announcement so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelU Posted October 11, 2016 Share #36 Â Posted October 11, 2016 I do not see any reason to sell my T. It is still a great camera. Â With all the indications visible, I am pretty sure that the next version (whatever its name will be) will be announced soon. Â However, I invested a reasonable amount in this system and I will not invest any further as long as its future is not known to me. I had the opportunity to test the new 60 macro, which is a fantastic lens. I would like to have it, but will buy it only when I know the future of the T system. Â Â Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 11, 2016 Share #37  Posted October 11, 2016 I can only agree with the concerns listed by most here!  I am going on a trip to Cuba soon.  I would be eager to purchase the new Leica TL if it had a built in EVF.  I currently own the D Lux 109 but would like a camera that would produce larger and more robust files.  Th problem is that I do not know when the new TL will be produced, even if the old T has been discontinued.  Additionally, I do not know whether it will have an EVF built in.  This is a dilemma as tim tis of the essence to me.  If Leica does not make an announcement soon, I will purchase a Fuji xt2 with the kit lens and 23mm f2 for low light shots in Cuba.  elopezso  I think you have to use either your 109 or buy a Fuji if you need a new camera for the trip. I dont think the T will be announced soon enough and even if it will be announced I dont think you would have one in your hands soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted October 25, 2016 Share #38 Â Posted October 25, 2016 Other two weeks since the last post and still no news, no info...Leica, please if you are here give us a sign! robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkulin Posted October 25, 2016 Share #39 Â Posted October 25, 2016 I read this as indeed I read car forums and cycling forums etc. Â Progress is progress, up until 1 hour before indications abound about a new T camera everyone was happy with their T, the fact the moment a company says there will be a new one out many dismiss the old one as worthless! Â If I took an image with my Old RB67 or with my Contax G2 or if I had my old Blad 500CM's I would challenge anyone to prove that current day cameras take a better photo on a like for like basis. Â The improvements will be with the user interface and how it helps you take a better photo, not necessarily produce a higher quality photo unless you are blowing them up to street walk size posters. Â I chose the T because it was light, had a lovely interface and superb lenses, I no longer sell my work or need to earn money from photography, so I enjoy what I purchased as a hobby nothing more. Â If I was a professional then I am fairly sure that I would have been first in the queue for the new Hasselblad X1D or a Nikon D5 or 810, but I am not and so with my modest budget the T series in all it's reincarnations suits my needs, I'd like an M9 but with my eyesight I have recognised I need AF, I can't afford the SL and the Q with a fixed lens is of no use to me, so I am sold into the T until I recognise that there is something better that suits my needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted October 25, 2016 Share #40 Â Posted October 25, 2016 I tried to get something out of Jono on another forum but no luck...: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/55718-wheres-jono-2.html#post708495 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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