Pobble Posted July 7, 2016 Share #1 Posted July 7, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) M 262s are available as "demos" at a reduced price and as part of a promotion with a 50 2.4 and flash which is a great deal if you want the lens (which is excellent) and flash.. Does anyone have some knowledge of why this happening? Is it to promote the M-D by dropping the M 262. If so it's unwise. he M-D 262 is a very odd, arguably useless camera - inferior in my view to the M262. For the record, I used film Leica's for about 50 years and find being able to view an exposure of a scene that has a wide range of luminosity invaluable. If you shoot on Auto, you then can make appropriate changes. Film inherently tolerates overexposure. Contrary to the claims of "Zone" texts,it is always possible to compensate by longer printing times. In contrast, on any digital medium clipping prevents anything from being recovered. So judicious underexposure often is useful - but without able to see ate has been recorded (as on the M-D and 800) that course of action is precluded. Also, for the record, my professional life started at MIT in EE at the birth of digital technology The first digital computer that I worked with is now in a museum. In constant dollars it cost about $ 200,000 - less computing power than a smartphone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Hi Pobble, Take a look here M 262 seems to being phased out. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
eujin Posted July 7, 2016 Share #2 Posted July 7, 2016 All signs point to a new M camera being announced at Photokina in September. The 262 bundle and the rebate offer for the M240 and MP240 are all running until September. They're just clearing dealer and factory inventory before the announcement is made. If the pattern holds, the 262 and M-D will probably exist in parallel with the new M for a while, like the M-E did with the 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 7, 2016 Share #3 Posted July 7, 2016 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted July 7, 2016 Share #4 Posted July 7, 2016 Every maker offers demos at reduced prices. I'm not exactly buying "the sky is falling" theory here. They're still available new everywhere Leica cameras are available new. The price of a new M262 not all that long ago rose from the $5,195 price I paid in February, to $5,395. I read something last week about Leica offering deals to commemorate it being 10 years since the first digital M.. http://en.leica-camera.com/Company/Press-Centre/Press-Releases/Press-Releases-2016/Press-Release-Leica-celebrates-the-10th-anniversary-of-the-digital-rangefinder-camera I imagine this is at least part of the specials going on right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 8, 2016 Share #5 Posted July 8, 2016 The M262 is the new M-E I am sure it will run along the new M for tis whole life. and BTW I wouldn't hold your breath for the new M for the moment ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 8, 2016 Share #6 Posted July 8, 2016 I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmarton1 Posted July 8, 2016 Share #7 Posted July 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) M 262s are available as "demos" at a reduced price and as part of a promotion with a 50 2.4 and flash which is a great deal if you want the lens (which is excellent) and flash.. Does anyone have some knowledge of why this happening? Is it to promote the M-D by dropping the M 262. If so it's unwise. he M-D 262 is a very odd, arguably useless camera - inferior in my view to the M262. For the record, I used film Leica's for about 50 years and find being able to view an exposure of a scene that has a wide range of luminosity invaluable. If you shoot on Auto, you then can make appropriate changes. Film inherently tolerates overexposure. Contrary to the claims of "Zone" texts,it is always possible to compensate by longer printing times. In contrast, on any digital medium clipping prevents anything from being recovered. So judicious underexposure often is useful - but without able to see ate has been recorded (as on the M-D and 800) that course of action is precluded. Also, for the record, my professional life started at MIT in EE at the birth of digital technology The first digital computer that I worked with is now in a museum. In constant dollars it cost about $ 200,000 - less computing power than a smartphone. Well, I know a couple of professional Leica photographers who love the M-D and I saw first hand the picture taking process and resulting picture. They were fabulous. No downside at all if you know what you are doing. Just like before digital cameras. It's subjective like all things Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted July 8, 2016 Share #8 Posted July 8, 2016 Phased out? It only started shipping in Febuary didn't it?? It's a great deal. It's not much more than I paid for a second hand 240 and a new 50mm f2.4 back in Jan. If this offer had been out at the time I might have gone for it. Live view or brand new camera. Probably would have gone for new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted July 11, 2016 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2016 As a fellow MIT alum, I'm afraid your talking tosh about the M-D being 'arguably useless'. I used mine to superb effect all weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 11, 2016 Share #10 Posted July 11, 2016 M 262s are available as "demos" at a reduced price and as part of a promotion with a 50 2.4 and flash which is a great deal if you want the lens (which is excellent) and flash.. Does anyone have some knowledge of why this happening? Is it to promote the M-D by dropping the M 262. If so it's unwise. he M-D 262 is a very odd, arguably useless camera - inferior in my view to the M262. For the record, I used film Leica's for about 50 years and find being able to view an exposure of a scene that has a wide range of luminosity invaluable. If you shoot on Auto, you then can make appropriate changes. Film inherently tolerates overexposure. Contrary to the claims of "Zone" texts,it is always possible to compensate by longer printing times. In contrast, on any digital medium clipping prevents anything from being recovered. So judicious underexposure often is useful - but without able to see ate has been recorded (as on the M-D and 800) that course of action is precluded. ... Did you ever think that Leica just might find they need a little price incentive to move some stock that's lingering in the distribution chain? It happens. And you don't like the M-D because you find the ability to 'chimp' invaluable. Fine. Don't buy one. I have had an M-P typ 240 since February 2015 and just recently acquired an M-D typ 262. I like shooting with the M-D much more than I do with the M-P ... It simply works the way I like a camera to work, and I have no problems with setting exposure. I learned how to do that with film cameras thirty years before digital cameras were a reality, and just like with various films and processing setups, you simply have to learn how the sensor in your camera behaves and adjust your metering and exposure setting to suit. My life in digital photography started at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 1984, where I started processing digital images from NASA's unmanned space program. My life in photography, professional and personal, started fifteen years before that. As a fellow MIT alum, I'm afraid your talking tosh about the M-D being 'arguably useless'. I used mine to superb effect all weekend. +1 ... As I did with mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobble Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted July 14, 2016 Well you can also look for and buy a car that provides a pure automotive experience - remove cruise control, antilock brakes, rear vision camera, variable power steering, anti-skid power distribution - and never consider all wheel drive, airbags et. - and pay more. For the working photographers who I know the M-D 262 is a recycled M 60, somewhat better insofar as it has strap lugs. It does not handle like a M2, M3, M4, M6, M7 all of which I used extensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted July 14, 2016 Share #12 Posted July 14, 2016 Well you can also look for and buy a car that provides a pure automotive experience - remove cruise control, antilock brakes, rear vision camera, variable power steering, anti-skid power distribution - and never consider all wheel drive, airbags et. - and pay more. For the working photographers who I know the M-D 262 is a recycled M 60, somewhat better insofar as it has strap lugs. It does not handle like a M2, M3, M4, M6, M7 all of which I used extensively. A digital camera does not handle like a film camera. Shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 15, 2016 Share #13 Posted July 15, 2016 My perception working the M4-2 and M-D side by side is that they handle virtually identically other than that I don't need to wind the M-D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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