EoinC Posted October 3, 2016 Share #421 Posted October 3, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mat you lost me in all that maths............also I see my 6x6 is showing as a 4x4 and I don't recall typing 4x4. Anyway to cut a long story short, I would have jumped at the 50 CVO had it had a 6x6 sensor. I will stick with 120 film for now until that prototype 6x6 that they had on show at photokina becomes a reality :) Hi, Neil. Where did you get that the prototype V1D with the waist level finder is 6x6? The V1D is intended to use the 100MP sensor and crop down to a 75MP square format (making it about 40mm x 40mm): https://www.ephotozine.com/article/hasselblad-x1d-4116-edition-and-v1d-prototype-29974 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Hi EoinC, Take a look here Leica SL or Hasselblad X1D. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
IkarusJohn Posted October 3, 2016 Share #422 Posted October 3, 2016 40x40 on a 75MP sensor is still pretty amazing, in my humble opinion. I wonder if they will ever make it? Looks more like a design exercise than something pre-production. The cost will be sobering ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted October 3, 2016 Share #423 Posted October 3, 2016 40x40 on a 75MP sensor is still pretty amazing, in my humble opinion. I wonder if they will ever make it? Looks more like a design exercise than something pre-production. The cost will be sobering ... 75 MP 40 x 40 is indeed, John, very good (which is the H6D-100c). At this stage it is concept-only, testing the water for market interest. Anything (including the sensor spec's) could change before it became a production item, if it ever does. With the relative flood of new MF options sort of coming to market, I guess everyone is wanting to see how big that market is, how many different models / systems it can absorb, and what direction it moves in. I'm not intending jumping into this particular rat-race (I have more to improve on in my own technique with what I have than I could get from moving to digital MF) - The only one that could pry my wallet open is the CFV-50c, and that would be more for convenience than need. I do enjoy seeing the new entries, though, and hope it does generate a flurry of activity and bounty of options, as was the case with MF film last millennium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 3, 2016 Share #424 Posted October 3, 2016 I'm in the same boat. The SL challenges me enough already, and I get results beyond my ability with all that I have. Technical quality of my equipment doesn't hold me back ... The CFV-50c is $10,000! If I was going that route, rather than having a digital back on my SWC, I'd probably go for the X1D-50c and the 30mm lens. The truth is, I have more gear than I need or use - I can't bear to part with any of it, but I also see zero justification for adding to it! And it's all (apart from the SWC) an interchangeable part of a single 35mm system - it doesn't get any better than that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 3, 2016 Share #425 Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) I probably like M cameras too much to go through with this idea, but I think I could cover every single photographic project I could ever imagine undertaking with an outfit consisting of two cameras: a small AF APS-C, no doubt a Fuji XPro 2 with a range of lenses, and a MF like a new Fuji or X1D with two lenses. That would take me back to the days before I got into 35mm photography, when MF was all I knew, and it is quite an appealing proposition. But there's somethings so nice about using the M, although I have come to accept that the visual advantages in print compared with other cameras is no longer compelling. In the words of our spiritual leader Neil D, I'm swithering. Edited October 3, 2016 by Peter H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 3, 2016 Share #426 Posted October 3, 2016 So what car goes well with an SL and a HB? ;-) I thought this one would do nicely: 2006 Mercedes-Benz SLK 280 #01 by Godfrey DiGiorgi, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted October 3, 2016 Share #427 Posted October 3, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...... At this stage it is concept-only, testing the water for market interest. Anything (including the sensor spec's) could change before it became a production item, if it ever does...... 100mp or 75mp doesn't mean a thing if you can't see the screen to compose, focus and scroll through menus! That bare, open to the sky evf clearly needs a little more design forethought, otherwise the general idea is appealing. I see skips full of unwanted and worthless SL's ahead..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 3, 2016 Share #428 Posted October 3, 2016 I thought this one would do nicely: 2006 Mercedes-Benz SLK 280 #01 by Godfrey DiGiorgi, on Flickr Love your car mate............... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 3, 2016 Share #429 Posted October 3, 2016 100mp or 75mp doesn't mean a thing if you can't see the screen to compose, focus and scroll through menus! That bare, open to the sky evf clearly needs a little more design forethought, otherwise the general idea is appealing. I see skips full of unwanted and worthless SL's ahead..... That's why the S007 hits the sweet spot..............best of both worlds, sexy, super sharp, fast, echocalnomocal, and the files just make you want to go out and keep shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 3, 2016 Share #430 Posted October 3, 2016 That's why the S007 hits the sweet spot..............best of both worlds, sexy, super sharp, fast, echocalnomocal, and the files just make you want to go out and keep shooting. Well, according to many of your own posts, that's true if you can lug it around all day, and if the lenses don't break. Few seem to express any concerns about the files. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted October 5, 2016 Share #431 Posted October 5, 2016 UK purchasers are now faced with a significant increase in Hasselblad prices, Robert White advises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted October 5, 2016 Share #432 Posted October 5, 2016 UK purchasers are now faced with a significant increase in Hasselblad prices, Robert White advises. I have already seen the the UK preorder prices are higher than Hasselblad has suggested with their RRP ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 5, 2016 Share #433 Posted October 5, 2016 One of the first consequences of the upcoming divorce from the EU! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 6, 2016 Share #434 Posted October 6, 2016 The X1D has a startup time of 7 seconds. This is in production copies.. Unacceptable. They lied about fixing all off this to their pre-order customers. I'd be pissed if I went ahead an pre-ordered one. A lot of other bugs they didn't fix according to someone who owns one. And he says they haven't told him when they'd get it settled. Hope they can sort all that out in a firmware update sooner then later. Since it's a really good camera in theory for those who shoot walk about fine art work. I'm putting my money into the new Fuji GFX. It looks as fast as the older X-T1 and I'm even talking auto focus speeds from the videos I've seen. The X-T2 is so brilliant that I have faith Fuji will do right by the GFX! And the announced lens lineup seems great. That 110/2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted October 6, 2016 Share #435 Posted October 6, 2016 The X1D has a startup time of 7 seconds. This is in production copies.. Unacceptable. They lied about fixing all off this to their pre-order customers. I'd be pissed if I went ahead an pre-ordered one. A lot of other bugs they didn't fix according to someone who owns one. And he says they haven't told him when they'd get it settled. Hope they can sort all that out in a firmware update sooner then later. Since it's a really good camera in theory for those who shoot walk about fine art work. I'm putting my money into the new Fuji GFX. It looks as fast as the older X-T1 and I'm even talking auto focus speeds from the videos I've seen. The X-T2 is so brilliant that I have faith Fuji will do right by the GFX! And the announced lens lineup seems great. That 110/2 Second time I've read about the startup time, thanks - that would be a deal breaker for me. The Fuji GFX is still hard for me to love and think I'd consider the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 6, 2016 Share #436 Posted October 6, 2016 The more serious problem is the heat production in the camera. Both Cameras that I had in my hands were quite warm, and that only after shooting a few pics, so no video! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 6, 2016 Share #437 Posted October 6, 2016 Second time I've read about the startup time, thanks - that would be a deal breaker for me. The Fuji GFX is still hard for me to love and think I'd consider the SL. Are you really prepared to ignore a potentially marvellous camera because it's not beautiful (to your eyes)? Anyway, even on that level of decision making I think you're making a mistake and confusing the fact that Fuji prioritises function over cosmetics with poor design. If the Hasselblad turns out to be the inferior performer in measurable ways, I would argue that its design is the poorer of the two, since they'll have got the form/ function relationship back to front. This is hypothetical at this stage of course, as are all comparisons of cameras we can't try for ourselves yet. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted October 6, 2016 Share #438 Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Are you really prepared to ignore a potentially marvellous camera because it's not beautiful (to your eyes)? Anyway, even on that level of decision making I think you're making a mistake and confusing the fact that Fuji prioritises function over cosmetics with poor design. If the Hasselblad turns out to be the inferior performer in measurable ways, I would argue that its design is the poorer of the two, since they'll have got the form/ function relationship back to front. This is hypothetical at this stage of course, as are all comparisons of cameras we can't try for ourselves yet. If it were a work horse camera that I needed to do a job - then I wouldn't care so much for how it looks. Aesthetics are high priority for everything I buy, I like pretty things that being said, when the Leica SL was first announced - I was not in awe of its looks.. I won't rule out the Fuji entirely. I spent twice the amount of money on a laser 'tape measure' for an odd job because it looks a lot nicer than the cheaper brand multi-functional alternative it's a disease... i'm sure Edited October 6, 2016 by dancook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 6, 2016 Share #439 Posted October 6, 2016 Aesthetics are high priority for everything I buy, I like pretty things There 100% the most important thing.................that's why I didn't buy the SL, man that thing is ugly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 6, 2016 Share #440 Posted October 6, 2016 There 100% the most important thing.................that's why I didn't buy the SL, man that thing is ugly They are not. You delude yourself. If your Hasselblad made crap photos you wouldn't use it, no matter that you think it looks pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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