M-D battery discharge as camera is not turning off automatically

[rochus]

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Love my new M-D a lot, just have a little annoying issue. as one cannot select the time by which the camera turns off power automatically in case the power button is switched on but the camera is not used, but instead keeps in standby permanently , I discharged already couple of batteries as I carried the camera in the camera back (Billingham for Leica) as due to the bag shaking somehow the switch gets switched on automatically very easily. It happens as the small turn-switch gets caught by the separation wall on which the camera is laying.

Leica please change with the next firmware update the auto turn off time from "never" to some minutes. Don't think anybody needs to have the camera on for longer than couple of minutes than not used. Please.

 

 

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[Exodies]

If it's not too late, trade it in for a typ 240. You can adjust the auto power off time.

[jaapv]

Or get another  separator for your bag. Billingham supplies different shapes and sizes, other maker's ones often fit too, but are another colour.

[Steve Ricoh]

Don't think anybody needs to have the camera on for longer than couple of minutes than not used. 

 

 

Street shooters do, nothing more annoying than to find that the camera has turned off when you want to catch that fleeting moment. Possibly why many still shoot using film.

[edwardkaraa]

Or get another separator for your bag. Billingham supplies different shapes and sizes, other maker's ones often fit too, but are another colour.

The separators of the Hadley digital are much better for the Leica bag. It's possible to order a set directly from billingham.

[jmahto]

I never turn power switch off in M240 and my battery lasts forever if not used. This is because of auto power off setting (and LV/M off so no accidental button press).

 

For MD, not having auto power off, does seem like a flaw. I am sure an user interface scheme can be defined to set the auto power off time limit even without LCD. 

[rochus]

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Fully understand the argument with the fast turn on time but an automated switch off nevertheless makes sense after a reasonable time as your battery is otherwise drained down which let you not shoot at all. So after couple of minutes or even an hour of inactivity an auto turn off is essential to prevent a complete power loss. With an hour of inactivity my M-D is losing about 30% battery life already.

 

Another isses is that the entire camera gets noticeable warm after some minutes in power-on but inactive state. Not sure if this is just a "cosmetical" issue or does any harm or influences the sensor parameters ect. Doesn't feel good at least.

 

 

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[rochus]

I never turn power switch off in M240 and my battery lasts forever if not used. This is because of auto power off setting (and LV/M off so no accidental button press).

 

For MD, not having auto power off this does seem like a flaw. I am sure an user interface scheme can be defined to set the auto power off time limit even without LCD.

Absolutely agree. Did exactly same with my 240 before. There needs to be a work around to prevent battery draining , it's a big drawback for the M-D otherwise.

[jmahto]

It seems to me (not only from this thread but otherwise too) that MD concept was not well thought out. I still think the better approach would have been to allow camera settings change by either i) external app from smartphone or ii)using external EVF. I would have preferred external EVF approach which would have allowed non-RF coupled lenses as well.

 

This is what happens when you let marketing guys design a product.

 

For now they can do something like below:

- Allow M button activation for 1sec to change auto off time immediately after power switch is turn on.

- Each press of M button cycles through "always on", N minutes.... (displayed in OVF)

 

It is possible by firmware fix if enough people make a hue and cry about it. 

[rochus]

It seems to me (not only from this thread but otherwise too) that MD concept was not well thought out. I still think the better approach would have been to allow camera settings change by either i) external app from smartphone or ii)using external EVF. I would have preferred external EVF approach which would have allowed non-RF coupled lenses as well.

 

This is what happens when you let marketing guys design a product.

 

For now they can do something like below:

- Allow M button activation for 1sec to change auto off time immediately after power switch is turn on.

- Each press of M button cycles through "always on", N minutes.... (displayed in OVF)

 

It is possible by firmware fix if enough people make a hue and cry about it.

That would be a perfect and easy to implement approach that as well respects photographers that prefer permanent on.

[jaapv]

It is all  part of the film experience. The M6 will drain the battery in the bag if you forget to switch it to B when wound.   Regard it as the price of simplicity...

 

To be honest, I find it a bit strange to wish for a back-to-the-basics camera which will only provide the bare minimum of controls needed to take a photograph and then start complaining about the lack of add-ons like WiFi, EVF, smartphone apps and what have you. That would destroy the whole concept.

[jaapv]

Absolutely agree. Did exactly same with my 240 before. There needs to be a work around to prevent battery draining , it's a big drawback for the M-D otherwise.

It is not - this camera is supposed to make the photographer think of operating it. Just switch it off before stowing it in the bag.

[david strachan]

Street shooters do, nothing more annoying than to find that the camera has turned off when you want to catch that fleeting moment. Possibly why many still shoot using film.

A street-shooter would keep the camera "alive" wouldn't they?...

 

Some of us seem to have lost the concept of anticipating the moment.

[david strachan]

 The M6 will drain the battery in the bag if you forget to switch it to B when wound.  

Just a quick aside..

One needs to turn to "B"?

I usually cock, and push the rewind home before storage...but there is still residual electrical drain, unless put on "B"?

It need special batteries so I'm willing to extend their life if possible.

cheers..

[jaapv]

Yes - recock will activate the camera - but turning to B will switch it off again. If you don't, the release button may be half-pressed by the padding, which will drain the battery flat. Not that I care deeply, I buy elcheapo LR44s and always have a few with me, and silver cells from the local hearing aid shop will do in a pinch, but it remains an annoyance.

[rochus]

It is all part of the film experience. The M6 will drain the battery in the bag if you forget to switch it to B when wound. Regard it as the price of simplicity...

 

To be honest, I find it a bit strange to wish for a back-to-the-basics camera which will only provide the bare minimum of controls needed to take a photograph and then start complaining about the lack of add-ons like WiFi, EVF, smartphone apps and what have you. That would destroy the whole concept.

Only difference at least with my M6 for years is that the leakage current is much lower and it takes long time to drain out the M6 battery. M-D is down in 2...3 hours in standby. Just a firmware fix as proposed and everybody should be happy.

 

And just to add, don't need anything else than the M-D functionality. For me the perfect M since gone digital. It's such a joy to use (except the battery thing [emoji6])

[Steve Ricoh]

A street-shooter would keep the camera "alive" wouldn't they?...

 

Some of us seem to have lost the concept of anticipating the moment.

I'll have to try the auto power off set to off when the camera is returned (it's currently in Germany).

Before loosing the concept of anticipating the moment, you have to have it in the first place - not easy.

[indergaard]

The M-D is an all-manual camera. It seems kind of ironic to ask for an AUTO power-off feature on such a camera.

You bought it for the MANUAL experience, right?

 

The power switch on all the digital Leica bodies I've used has always been firm, and it has never ever been accidentaly turned on in either of my Billingham bags or anything else. Maybe the power switch on your M-D needs adjustement?

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[jaapv]

Only difference at least with my M6 for years is that the leakage current is much lower and it takes long time to drain out the M6 battery. M-D is down in 2...3 hours in standby. Just a firmware fix as proposed and everybody should be happy.

 

And just to add, don't need anything else than the M-D functionality. For me the perfect M since gone digital. It's such a joy to use (except the battery thing [emoji6])

You never had your M6 drained by the bag half-pressing the shutter button? I have - repeatedly. As I said: The M-D has an Off switch - the perfect solution for your problem, if the bag switches it on, no amount of auto-switchoff will stop the camera from being activated again and again by shutterbutton presses. The only remedy is to replace the compartment separators of you bag.

[rochus]

Honestly don't care if it's seen as an all manual or just screen-less M or film-like M or whatever. Just for me very personally it's the perfect digital M with exactly the controls and handling I need to enjoy taking pictures. The only thing that made it -for me- flawless would be a firmware update that allows to select an auto power off mode in order to avoid draining down the battery quickly and to let the camera body getting warm over a time in standby accidentally. It's not me but Leica to decide if this is useful or negatively influencing any purism concept too much to be implemented.

 

Nevertheless will try the Hadley digital bag separators, thanks for this tip.

 

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