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[ynp]

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I could have bought one of these cameras with the depreciation of my S006

That's a problem with folks who buy new. An S2 could be found for $4,000.00 now and for $6,000.00 two years ago.

 

 

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[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Where did they say the lenses were being made by in Japan.............??

[ynp]

Where did they say the lenses were being made by in Japan.............??

On the stage, during the presentation.

 

 

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[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

That's a problem with folks who buy new. An S2 could be found for $4,000.00 now and for $6,000.00 two years ago.

 

 

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Yes it is, but 60 plus present in one year :( ........................hard to swallow if I was selling it but seeing as I am keeping it its still worth 16k to me

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

On the stage, during the presentation.

 

 

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I missed it?

[MarkP]

I'll confirm that. Hasselblad design and specs made in Japan but not by Fuji

[RVB]

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Boom!  There goes the S.  I am FLOORED by this new Hassy.  It's a huge deal how small and cheap this beast is!  Gonna cause problems for the SL too.

 

Very curious to see how Leica respond to this.

 

At least as important is are you floored by the glass? the camera looks great but the 90mm is very slow compared to them two S lenses that are closest in focal length, it makes more sense of you own HCD/HC glass already.

 

Another point if lack of focal plane shutter makes it less useful outdoors unless you want to use ND filters!

[Paul J]

So Leica, how about releasing a new S-E at Photokina, the 007, at £7995 with the 70 2.5? Please don't paint it that god awful blue colour.

[djmay]

Which model? The 006 or 007? or both ?

For me 006. Maximum exposure is 125 seconds.

 

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[Daedalus2000]

I think the samples looks stunning.

 

I am sure the IQ will be amazing, but honestly I do not see anything amazing on the sample images they posted on their website. Can you point to me at one where you see great iq? BTW, I am not questioning you, I really want to see the quality of this camera. Thanks

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

I listened again and it a company called Mito

[Daedalus2000]

I missed it?

 

Yes he said lenses are made in Japan by Nitto.

[Daedalus2000]

I listened again and it a company called Mito

 

Nitto, MTF charts and extra info here:

 

https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/06/22/announcing-the-hasselblad-x1d-50c/

[ynp]

Yes it is, but 60 plus present in one year :( ........................hard to swallow if I was selling it but seeing as I am keeping it its still worth 16k to me

Feel your pain. I had very similar situation when Sinar stopped supporting the Sinar -M, the most advanced system of the time. Even the lenses could not be used on any other camera anymore.

 

 

 

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[sog1927]

Random X1D thoughts:

 

The MTF curves of the two Nitto lenses are pretty impressive.

 

It does leave me wondering how clunky the combination of X1D+H adapter+V adapter would be (I've got a lot of CF/CFE lenses). I can't see any reason why that combination wouldn't work, and Phocus already knows about those lenses.

 

It's nice that they've made the TTL system Nikon-compatible, now that SCA seems to be dead. At least there are some reasonable macro flash options available in that space.

 

Perhaps some enterprising soul will make an adapter for S-series CS lenses.

 

Making a tilt/shift adapter for the H-series lenses (at least the ones with a big enough image circle) would be interesting. There's sufficient room to do this, and since the connections are all electronic there wouldn't be any mechanical considerations impeding that. You could probably even preserve autofocus.

 

I am sorry the system isn't more open, but there's no way they could have fit a physical Super-35 (I refuse to call it "medium format") focal-plane shutter within that form-factor. Perhaps there will be an electronic shutter available in a firmware revision.

 

Nice travel camera - small, lightweight, easy to pack, and (one assumes) very quiet. Almost like a Leica M

[djmay]

There is a lot to like about the new Hasselblad description. Choice of cameras, like most items, has its trade-offs. I like the long exposure, the elimination of mirror vibration, and the size of the Hasselblad. But I also like the optical viewfinder, the lens quality and lens selection of the S (although I miss a tilt/shift coming from view camera). I am not an early adopter, hence my use of the S 006 only since January. Just as when the S2 was introduced, I wonder about the longevity of this new system. I can see its appeal to someone who is contemplating a new purchase today, or is already invested in Hasselblad-compatible lenses.

[Paul J]

Looks like there is an electronic shutter now. The Mode dial has M and Mq. It is apparently MANUALquiet = electronic shutter.

 

It's obviously too early to tell but it really seems a game changer and I think it could potentially bring an end to the 35mm camera in some sectors of the industry. Hasselblad have taken the 50c/IQ350/645z/S, shoehorned it into the M, and made it half the cost of the S and not much more expensive than the M. It's $16K cheaper than the H6D-50c!

 

Credit where credit is due - this is a hard hitting and mind blowing achievement and as a twenty year Hasselblad user I am so thrilled to see them back at wheel, leading with some as spectacular as this. This is the Hasselblad I used to love. What I'm most excited about is to see how the industry reacts and adapts.

 

Hasselblad and Leica are certainly flying the flags of innovation, the SL was a game changer too, as was the S in it's day - but this is something else and I can't help but feel that Leica will be feeling the pressure today.

[RobertGeorge]

It's an interesting camera. It's the first camera that has caught my eye since the S, and that makes sense as it's another compact medium-format digital.

 

There's clear positives for the X1D: size, modernity (multiple focus points, ISO range, video over my S2,) kinder shutter (likely) and price. The price is fantastic. I can see spending £6-7000 on a body every 5 years. 

 

But it's not a whitewash: lens range is obviously not there yet, and Hasselblad seem to be going with small apertures to keep the lenses small. Moving my key lens from a 100mm summicron to a Hasselblad 90mm f4.5 simply won't work. Losing the optical viewfinder is a problem too – I tried the SL at Manchester's Leica store and if that's the top-end EVF they're still a way off matching the S optical finder. The finder is your main interface and is as important as ISO performance, pixel count etc. I'm not overly fussed about the size of the S, certainly not with the 100mm attached. 

 

Depending on the X1D's AF performance with the HC adapter and the blad 100mm f2.2, I'll still consider the camera; and certainly demo one when possible. Ultimately, I think it won't get over the hump of why I use the S, and that's the lenses. The 100-S is better than the blad 100, and that's why I use an S. 

[Daedalus2000]

It's an interesting camera. It's the first camera that has caught my eye since the S, and that makes sense as it's another compact medium-format digital.

 

There's clear positives for the X1D: size, modernity (multiple focus points, ISO range, video over my S2,) kinder shutter (likely) and price. The price is fantastic. I can see spending £6-7000 on a body every 5 years. 

 

But it's not a whitewash: lens range is obviously not there yet, and Hasselblad seem to be going with small apertures to keep the lenses small. Moving my key lens from a 100mm summicron to a Hasselblad 90mm f4.5 simply won't work. Losing the optical viewfinder is a problem too – I tried the SL at Manchester's Leica store and if that's the top-end EVF they're still a way off matching the S optical finder. The finder is your main interface and is as important as ISO performance, pixel count etc. I'm not overly fussed about the size of the S, certainly not with the 100mm attached. 

 

Depending on the X1D's AF performance with the HC adapter and the blad 100mm f2.2, I'll still consider the camera; and certainly demo one when possible. Ultimately, I think it won't get over the hump of why I use the S, and that's the lenses. The 100-S is better than the blad 100, and that's why I use an S. 

 

I think the 90mm is f3.2 not f4.5

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[ynp]

I maybe wrong, but I see the X1D as an available light and occasional flash camera. It's easy to balance the ambient with the flash or a battery strobe outside . With the central shutter It is a joy...Leica S utilizes parts of focal shutter when the camera shoots lens' central shutter and it's a complicated process. Hasselblad has a simpler shutter and it syncs at all speeds effortlessly, with the electronic first curtain at 1/2000.

 

Perfect studio camera : high quality file, the lens f stops are reasonable for strobe shooting. In studio with strobes we work at f4-f8 with strobes and almost never Wide Open.

But there are some buts. In my limited experience, the EVF doesn't work nicely with strobes, the optical vf is easier when you work with the modeling light.

 

The new trend if to use constant / continuous light in LED banks, scrims, gobos and silks. In that studio scenario the new Hasselblad shall be a perfect for still. We are all no the process of moving from the strobes to continuous movie and TV lights and learning to shape light in a new for us way. I can envision the new Hasselblad in such a studio. As a still camera. Another But is that I do not see the new camera as a serious video camera.

 

Regards

Yevgeny

 

 

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