Leica Film Odyssey for a beginner

[jaapv]

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But a Baryta print gets close - and the Lambda process produces a chemical print digitally.

[EoinC]

Here are a few more with some questions;

I really like these two as they have got that silvery kind of a look to them but I don't know why......I didn't do anything to them in PP that was any different to my other images, so why the silvery look, has it got to do with light, has it got to do with lens??

One thing you may want to check when you're editing in LR, Neil - Look at the histogram. You may see some colours showing up on the channels around the main grey body. If you click on "B&W" down on the Channels section ("HSL / Color / B&W"), it will monchrom-ise the bits of colour picked up by the scanner (which often create a bit of an unintended sepia or blue tone).

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

One thing you may want to check when you're editing in LR, Neil - Look at the histogram. You may see some colours showing up on the channels around the main grey body. If you click on "B&W" down on the Channels section ("HSL / Color / B&W"), it will monchrom-ise the bits of colour picked up by the scanner (which often create a bit of an unintended sepia or blue tone).

 

That got it Eoin.....ive been sending the file to PS and using the desaturate tool..........this is a lot easier. Cheers mate

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[Doc Henry]

But a Baryta print gets close - and the Lambda process produces a chemical print digitally.

Jaap, but at what price ?

price of a printer

price of ink (and the nozzles can clog)

price of paper ex : Baryta

price of a desktop computer

time spent in front of the PC

+ prices of softwares

 

Why make it complicated when it can be simpler and cheaper

and in the end not the same process and less pretty, no grain as in the original film !

 

Regards

H.

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Jaap, but at what price ?

price of a printer

price of ink (and the nozzles can clog)

price of paper ex : Baryta

price of a desktop computer

time spent in front of the PC

+ prices of softwares

 

Why make it complicated when it can be simpler and cheaper

and in the end not the same process and less pretty, no grain as in the original film !

 

Regards

H.

 

Quite a few reasons. Not all great photographers are great darkroom printers. Printing is a different skill than photographing. Many famous photographers used, and still use, custom labs or skilled assistants and did not make print themselves: they worked closely with the labs or assistant to get the look they wanted. On the other hand, digital printing of scanned negatives allows for greater control in terms of gradation and burning and dodging — these skills are easier to learn and perfect using Lightroom than in the darkroom. Also, it's much easier to make huge, say, 100x150cm (40x60 inch) digital prints than to do that in the dark room.

 

I think it's a great idea for anyone starting to shoot film to take a darkroom course because it's the best way to learn what is possible in making a good print in terms of gradation and emphasis through burning or dodging. But keep in mind that there are many varieties of "good print" from Ansel Adams and Edward Weston to Moriyama Daido and Paulo Nozolino. After one has learned the possibilities and range to good prints in the darkroom, a photographer can certainly turn to digital prints or to custom printers.

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I think it's a great idea for anyone starting to shoot film to take a darkroom course because it's the best way to learn what is possible in making a good print in terms of gradation and emphasis through burning or dodging. But keep in mind that there are many varieties of "good print" from Ansel Adams and Edward Weston to Moriyama Daido and Paulo Nozolino. After one has learned the possibilities and range to good prints in the darkroom, a photographer can certainly turn to digital prints or to custom printers.

I'm doing exactly that when I get home next hitch. I'm doing a 6 day darkroom class[emoji3][emoji3]

[Jeff S]

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But a Baryta print gets close - and the Lambda process produces a chemical print digitally.

 

Piezography using carbon inks and quality paper has also closed the gap (of having the image appear 'in' the paper).  

 

But I don't try to compare inkjet, digital or 'hybrid'...all processes are capable of yielding a print that 'sings'.....or sucks.  

 

As stated above, printing is an art every bit as much as photographing in the first place.  There are likely fewer great printers than there are great photographers...one doesn't necessarily follow the other.

 

Jeff

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I've just got my last two rolls of film scanned. Looking at them on my phone and they are so much better than the first batch. Can't wait to see them on a computer [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

 

 

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I need new subjects. I need to go on a wee trip to somewhere nearby and shoot a few rolls of film.

Maybe hit Cambodia or Burma and shoot some monks with a couple of rolls of Kodak Gold

 

 

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[ramosa]

Please stop asking if I'm winding you up or have started this thread as a bull shit scam or something like that.

Lets put this to bed right now........

I just came upon this thread, can't believe it has received such attention, and--now that you mention it--do think it seems like a great Murakamian "wind-up bird chronicle"

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Mods. You know how when you long press on your mobile you get the like and quote buttons pop up. Can you add an ignore button

[Doc Henry]

I need new subjects. I need to go on a wee trip to somewhere nearby and shoot a few rolls of film.

Maybe hit Cambodia or Burma and shoot some monks with a couple of rolls of Kodak Gold

 

 

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Here one monk picture but with Kodak Ektar

You'll have great opportunity to take Temple Angkor in Cambodia and Burmese temples

Lucky man

Good analog photos

 

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Henry

[Doc Henry]

and The Emerald Buddha Temple

Laos

 

From my experience during all my humanitarian mission in SE Asia

in these countries the maximum isos for film I use is 400 isos (for inside

pagoda), otherwise it is of 100 -160 (Kodak) sometimes Fuji Velvia 50 or

Provia 100 because it is too luminous , so I'll have fine grain.

Also valid for b&w.  

Color film is nicer than on M9

 

 

Fuji Superia 100

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[jaapv]

That got it Eoin.....ive been sending the file to PS and using the desaturate tool..........this is a lot easier. Cheers mate

IMO the "desaturate" button should be removed from Photoshop....

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...Color film is nicer than on M9

Sorry, that blanket statement is not obvious to me. Over ten years ago I used to shoot Kodak E100G — and with my M9 I can get as good or better color, with more flexibility in terms of the possible look and dynamic range. I haven't yet shot with the new Portra 400, and shall see how that compares. 

[menos I M6]

Sorry, that blanket statement is not obvious to me. Over ten years ago I used to shoot Kodak E100G — and with my M9 I can get as good or better color, with more flexibility in terms of the possible look and dynamic range. I haven't yet shot with the new Portra 400, and shall see how that compares. 

 

That new Portra 400 really is Kodak's answer to the digital camera revolution. It really is a film that behaves like shooting a digital camera - shoot it at any ISO you like, push, pull, you name it. Get any colors you like - such a neutral and middle of the road film, you can almost get any look from it.

 

This may not be everyone's cup of tea (I am still undecided, but I really do like it's flexibility a lot + you practically get it nowadays in any shop that serves film).

[Doc Henry]

About analog vs dig. it's not the subject of Neil's thread , but I have answered in part here :

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257093-why-does-it-make-any-sense-at-all-to-use-non-professional-grade-film-stocks-in-this-day-and-age/page-11

and about flexibility you have this recent link :

http://www.peterstewartphotography.com/Blog/Why-I-Still-Shoot-Film

In addition I still have my M9 and M8 and always compare pictures between digit and film

(M7 and MP cam.)

So I know what I said

I agree with Dirk about Portra *

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257093-why-does-it-make-any-sense-at-all-to-use-non-professional-grade-film-stocks-in-this-day-and-age/?p=3024564

H

PS: a precision for the pagoda picture, it's uncorrected in comparison with M9 picture

but I think it will be a bit nicer with Portra. I'll do another comparison with Portra this time

in August of this year for my next mission in this country !

[convexferret]

About analog vs dig. it's not the subject of Neil's thread , but I have answered in part here :

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257093-why-does-it-make-any-sense-at-all-to-use-non-professional-grade-film-stocks-in-this-day-and-age/page-11

and about flexibility you have this recent link :

http://www.peterstewartphotography.com/Blog/Why-I-Still-Shoot-Film

In addition I still have my M9 and M8 and always compare pictures between digit and film

(M7 and MP cam.)

So I know what I said

I agree with Dirk about Portra *

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257093-why-does-it-make-any-sense-at-all-to-use-non-professional-grade-film-stocks-in-this-day-and-age/?p=3024564

H

PS: a precision for the pagoda picture, it's uncorrected in comparison with M9 picture

but I think it will be a bit nicer with Portra. I'll do another comparison with Portra this time

in August of this year for my next mission in this country !

Doc, you continually make disparaging remarks about digital throughout various threads, why can't you just be happy to enjoy your photos as they are without having to continually add "and it's better than digital such-and-such" to so many comments? I think that many of us enjoy using film alongside digital for many reasons, there's no reason for a state of war to exist. It becomes tiresome after a while.

[Doc Henry]

I understand but everyone does what they want !

It's a fact !
I simply answered in this thread that Neil opened as the title "beginner"

I affirm nothing without proof , that's all .
If you have seen all my posts as you said , you know my opinion on the digital

and analog. and if you also read the comments in this thread , you'll find that

many share my point of view specially Adam,Eoin etc... :

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/page-698
Good photos analog or digital

Best

H.

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IMO the "desaturate" button should be removed from Photoshop....

Whys that mate??