tom0511 Posted June 21, 2016 Share #421 Posted June 21, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I totally agree that those are different systems for different purpose, and I also like and use boths. What I wanted to say is thats unfair to just compare size between the M+prime and the sl+2 Zooms. The great things that now I can also use my M primes on the SL, and that the menue system has the same logic between M and SL. I must say that I really like the speed , AF and flexibility of the SL more and more and use the M less often lately. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hugues33 Posted June 21, 2016 Share #422 Posted June 21, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3065568'>More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted June 22, 2016 Share #423 Posted June 22, 2016 Half press and move the focus ring and you will see it on the top LCD display ...... I couldn't see much use for it till I tried to take some star shots in the dark behind our local church ....... hardly anything to see so it is the only way to get shots in focus ...... adjust till focus point is just infinity ...... and gives the maximum DOF for foreground It is actually very useful and a doddle to use. L6001798.jpg Actually it's terrible and one of my gripes about the system. I say this because the shutter button is awful. I wish it felt a little more like the M in that regard. Then, the half press and refocus would be useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted July 28, 2016 Share #424 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Since I hear from time to time that the SL is not as fast or as foolproof as a DSLR for focusing in sports or action, I decided to make a small comparison (just for me). I am an amateur and not specialized in "action". I just like to try everything, but do not always go into depth. I have a 5DS with the EF 100-400 (II) that I bought last year especially for "safari", and a D800, but ok it is already a bit old. Nikon is my gear since 2000, the Canon was just for s special project. You can discuss now, how much slower the 5DS is than a 1DX or a Nikon D4/D5. Anyway for me it was good enough as a reference, because I was always very happy with the speed and accuracy of its AF. I compare it with the SL with the 90-280 that I have since a few days. Yesterday there were no sports events, so I took cars - in the city/town and on the freeway (Autobahn) - and some pedestrians as models. It was late afternoon on a dry day with little sunshine (5 to 8 pm, mixed weather conditions, partly cloudy). We all/most know the Canons - reliable, fast, but always some noise (not bad actually) when focusing, and some strange noises when the IS gets active from time to time. On the SL I used only AFs with single point AF. the easiest setup that also others have recommended in this forum. The SL only made a small noise when starting, then was dead silent. Focusing was not to be heard - maybe ultrasound ? Only OIS made some rare very low noises from time to time. The results of the SL were a very positive surprise for me. AF was very fast, silent and dead-on in almost all cases (just as often as the 5DS). AF in the SL was even faster for me than the 5DS with 100-400 which is very fast already. But I agree that this is quite subjective and just a personal impression. I only had to correct/redo focusing when working close to the near focus distance limit, sometimes stepping back a few centimeters. The Canon 100-400 was there slightly better, but mainly because it has the shortest focus distance I know, even better than on paper - it says less than 1m, but it is actually closer at around 0.8m (from sensor plane) with my lens. So is the 5DS the looser ? And would I take the SL instead of the 5DS to Africa on safari ? No, because it costs too much and replacing it takes too long, if stolen or damaged. And the 5DS offers the possibility to switch between resolutions (50, 30 or 20 MP with crop factor 1.0, 1.3 or 1.6) and the batteries last longer because it is a DSLR. But my impression is that there is no reason to call the SL slow or unusable for action. I am VERY happy with its speed and accuracy with the SL 90-280, and would be completely satisfied if this was the only mode the camera offered. If you are happy with the 5DS, you will like the SL, as it is definitely at least as good regarding AF and OIS, in my opinion. There are two more possibilities, I have not tested tracking or face recognition yet. I will certainly do, and then will see if I am still that happy with the SL. But maybe I wait for the 2.1 firmware coming at the end of this week. Stephan Regarding handling, the Canon combo and the SL combo are about equal in size. The SL felt a bit "lighter", but maybe only because the lens is slightly thinner than the 100-400. The SL 90-280 consists of 23 optical elements, so the experts predicted a lens somewhat poor in contrast or prone to flare. My impression is exactly the opposite - either Leica has found a fine trick to correct this in camera software, or the lenses have been so perfectly coated that this effect is not to be observed. i always liked the colors of the Canon plus 100-400. But I like the color rendering of the 90-280 even slightly better, I noticed that already in the Farkas publication. It is really lovely/"attractive" (without postprocessing). Edited July 28, 2016 by steppenw0lf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted July 28, 2016 Share #425 Posted July 28, 2016 Forgot to mention one important point. Choosing the AF point with the touch LCD is a dream, and much better than any other method in other cameras. It is a feature I miss in other equipment and that I'd really like to have everywhere. In this way the SL offers more "comfort" than almost any other camera. (currently) And for studio use or use on a tripod it is simply irredeemable. And now with tethering it will be even better ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 28, 2016 Share #426 Posted July 28, 2016 Forgot to mention one important point. Choosing the AF point with the touch LCD is a dream, and much better than any other method in other cameras. It is a feature I miss in other equipment and that I'd really like to have everywhere. In this way the SL offers more "comfort" than almost any other camera. (currently) And for studio use or use on a tripod it is simply irredeemable. And now with tethering it will be even better ... I'm curious how you manage touch focusing with the LCD. Is this with using a tripod? I would have trouble balancing the long zoom handheld while using touch focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted July 28, 2016 Share #427 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not switch the focus point continuously. I take the camera shortly off the eye - just enough to see the LCD - and then push the focus to where I want it. (the ground or a bush or the sky, a dark cloud or a building, etc.) The good thing is that almost the complete area can be selected - unlike the Canikon where the AF points are mainly close to the center (and quite badly placed for upright photos). For example if I want to shoot people steering a car, I know in advance how much of the car I want in the image and so prepare the AF point to be placed in the right area to catch the faces. But I prepare it in advance, not while targeting. Once or twice I also had to use it because my nose had changed the focus involuntarily So you need to be careful. Some probably prefer to turn it off when handheld. But I agree it is even better when used on tripod. Then it is almost vital. And yes, the SL 90-280 is very well balanced with the SL, now that you ask about it. This is probably also because it is of fixed length. (unlike the SL 24-90 that I do not like anyway ) It is balanced far better than the Canon combo. The EF 100-400 changes its length when going from 100 to 400 (about plus 50%). (lens housing without hood) One more thing - I did not scientifically repeatable tests, but I compared the 90-280 to my favorite lenses, that I regard as the best in the R collection: The Apo Macro Elmarit 100 and the Apo Elmarit 180. It is not exactly a replacement for them because it is much bigger and does not come as close (only 60 cm at 90, and 1.4 m at 280), but I think it is equal in IQ. This is quite an achievement as these lenses are almost faultless. I plan to use it also for macro and try to find the best achromat. But I am still undecided what would be the most useful diopter number (2 or 5 or maybe even 10). (90 equals 11 diopters, while 280 equals about 3.5 diopters). Does anybody know the strength of the achromat that belongs to the Apo Macro 100 (used for 1:1) ? Have to check the wiki. Edited July 28, 2016 by steppenw0lf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkcsm Posted July 29, 2016 Share #428 Posted July 29, 2016 Since I hear from time to time that the SL is not as fast or as foolproof as a DSLR for focusing in sports or action, I decided to make a small comparison (just for me). I am an amateur and not specialized in "action". I just like to try everything, but do not always go into depth. <snip> steppenw0lf, thanks for the writeup. I'm encouraged by what I've experienced. I'm one who does not believe the SL with 2.0 firmware is quite as quick focusing as my Canon 1D MkIV, however, it's still very, very good. And I have only four days under my belt and improved in my keeper percentage each of those days. It will be several months until I have another chance to shoot volleyball (off season now) but at this time I believe that for me (a parent/enthusiast), it's good enough to sell my Canon gear. Perhaps in time I'll become as proficient with the SL as I am with the Canon. -K 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phongph Posted July 31, 2016 Share #429 Posted July 31, 2016 Hi! Please advise and provide some photo of portrait by Leica SL and SL Apo 90-280? Have a nice day! Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #430 Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) As requested, phongph....... Here are a few from a day of playing at portraiture shooting (more of a social event than photography tuition for me ...... they will never eradicate my bad habits at my age .....) .... It was a very dull overcast day ...... no fill lighting or flash/reflectors used. I used the 24-90 for about 20% of the time, 90-280 for 80%, and I cannot tell from the photos which lens was used ....... image quality is completely uniform at all focal lengths with both lenses .... as is colour, contrast and bokeh. and here is a link to a selection of approx half size jpg's I posted for the others who attended .... mostly for amusement ..... almost all with the 90-280 except the macro shots .... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2oek9ocf2xiwkm6/AABb0jQLBTlLh74awPjzuWBpa?dl=0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 31, 2016 by thighslapper 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088257'>More sharing options...
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thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #432 Posted July 31, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088260'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #433 Posted July 31, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088261'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #434 Posted July 31, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088262'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #435 Posted July 31, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088265'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #436 Posted July 31, 2016 Sicily .... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088268'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #437 Posted July 31, 2016 not human ....... but still a portrait ..... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088274'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 31, 2016 Share #438 Posted July 31, 2016 and finally ....... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! .... convinced .... ?? 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! .... convinced .... ?? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257858-90-28028-4/?do=findComment&comment=3088276'>More sharing options...
Dolphin Posted July 31, 2016 Share #439 Posted July 31, 2016 and finally ....... .... convinced .... ?? Nice series ! Thank you ! How about some small, fast flying birds ... :) ;-) ?? Gesendet von meinem iPad mit Tapatalk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 31, 2016 Share #440 Posted July 31, 2016 and finally ....... L1302675.jpg .... convinced .... ?? Not much to complain about with either the lens or the operator Maybe you should change your user name from Thighslapper to "The Old Goat" and use this photo as your avatar - just joking! Wilson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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