ChrisC Posted June 2, 2007 Share #21 Posted June 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with the request for a quiet mode as being important, which is why it's my second choice for an update. OK my eyes don't have their former laser acuity, and it's a drag that I have to keep putting my reading glasses on to check my shots, but the complaint I have above all others with the M8 is the histogram. So often I think the histogram is showing protected highlights and then later I find blown whites; it drives me nuts. The mid peaks of the histogram are not relevant to me as I can see what the camera is pointed at, but it is fundamentally important to be able to see clearly whether there is a corner highlight spike to the histogram. Changing the histogram rectangle's colour would be a good start so that the outline of the histogram graph is differentiated from the box it sits in, but even better for me would be an option to display an enlarged histogram view of the highlight corner in a separate box above the histogram display's current position. As it is, if I am checking composition rather than exposure I have to lose the histogram to clearly see the image and the option of an additional 'corner' histogram would not effect my picture assessment; and those who were so effected could leave the option switched off. Of all the complaints I have about this remarkable 'warts and all' camera, the histogram display as it is configured is the only one that impinges on the file integrity of my images. Or should I get younger eyes? .....................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carstenw Posted June 2, 2007 Share #22 Posted June 2, 2007 Chris, it is not clear to me if you are aware of the mode where "Menu-Histogram" is set to, for example, "RGB w/ clipping", and "Menu-Auto Review" is set to, for example, "3s / Histogram". Have you tried that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Wogan Posted June 2, 2007 Share #23 Posted June 2, 2007 Choosing lenses via menu. Leica should be more sensible regarding this and the back log of process in Solms. This will make a quick fix for the people who already have the IR/UV filter. I read eleswhere that Leica rejected this saying that it would not be a good idea as people might forget to change the settings. Leica! I do not need protecting from my own stupidity. The Nikon D200 does this already for manual focus Nikon lenses and I do not forget. Just copy what Nikon does and get on with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted June 2, 2007 Share #24 Posted June 2, 2007 Carsten - Thank you, yes I am aware of the options. My difficulty is seeing clear separation of small spikes in the highlight corner, extensive blowouts are very evident and I have no issues there. I hate highlight bald spots in my images [it's why I always shot my personal film work on negative film rather than transparency]. ..................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 2, 2007 Share #25 Posted June 2, 2007 Quiet Shutter and White Balance Fix.....Those should be the basic fixes for the next release. Will Leica include them? Probably not because neither is not high on the list of concerns of those who have Leica's attention. Stevez4 Absolutely .. do I get a sense of momentum here! Guy / Sean - if you're talking to Leica do pass this on - it would transform the usability of a great camera. LEICA??? Are you reading us?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 2, 2007 Share #26 Posted June 2, 2007 I know WB is high on there list just not sure what follows on that list but we did ask for a delay wind on the shutter , in Single mode take a shot hold the shutter down and release to wind when YOU want to. Like under your coat or someplace quiet. On a personal note just dump the delete button, frankly if you don't have enough cards to keep shooting than it's you fault , cards are so cheap now i really see no reason for a delete button. 4gb cards 380 raw images at a cost of a card 50 dollars, I just see no reason for a delete button. maybe when the cards were 400 dollars but not now. YMMV on this one, i just think it is silly to have it now. i never ever use this function and it is dangerous becuase you could easily wipe out the whole card than just a single image. Reading something else here on setups and stuff on and off , there is 3 user select modes and you can setup three differnt profiles that maybe a good solution to make use of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 2, 2007 Share #27 Posted June 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guy - fantastic if the quiet mode is there... Two issues on the delete button. a) Often I do use it if I have a break in a shoot and want to reduce edit time back at base. I can review and delete frames that I know aren't right. we'd then have to format after transferring to a HD and before we re-used the card? Not my preferred method. I us LR most of the time and this always leaves images on the card (unlike C1 which gives you the - unsafe? - option to copy and remove). Now dump the PROTECT button and let us programme direct access to ISO and I'd be interested... otherwise for me the buttons aren't an issue. Quiet mode is though!! Accolades to you if we can get it in the next firmware! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevez4 Posted June 2, 2007 Share #28 Posted June 2, 2007 I read the posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted June 2, 2007 Share #29 Posted June 2, 2007 Quiet Shutter and White Balance Fix.....Those should be the basic fixes for the next release. Will Leica include them? Probably not because neither is not high on the list of concerns of those who have Leica's attention. Stevez4 Guy's summaries (and mine more recently) go to the testing and QC people at Leica. Last time they were responded to in detail -- the correspondence is still posted. And Sean talks directly to his contacts. I don't expect miracles, but I find this process very open. The answers have tended to convey what can be expected and how they decide what can be fixed or changed. So keep the comments and suggestions coming. In this thread there are a few new ideas and otherwise it underscores some messages that have already been passed along. I'll do another summary at the end of the week and see if they feel like answering yet. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted June 2, 2007 Share #30 Posted June 2, 2007 Just to copy a suggestion into this thread where it might be seen, Several cameras have the funny property that they need a shutter button press to complete the bringup. If this is not a hardware fix but a weak spot in the firmware, let's get it fixed. scott (for others) This IS a hardware problem and requires the M8 to be returned to Leica for a fix. They have confirmed this to me via e-mail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 2, 2007 Share #31 Posted June 2, 2007 There are many great feature ideas posted but I think the prioritiezed list should be: FIXES: 1. Fix the known bugs (WB, Menu stutter, lock ups, etc.) by now they probably have a pretty comprehensive list of known software bugs and most companies want their product to function as described in their manuals to avoid potential legal challenges down the road. 2. Better in camera noise reduction at ISO 1250 and 2500 NEW FEATURES (easy to add): 3. Add a menu to allow for lens selection to use uncoded lenses (it would be nice if it had a sub menu to specify f-stop for exif recording which might be useful for cyan correction too). 4. Quiet mode as has been described in this thread 5. Option to use Protect button as a direct path to ISO 6. Option to capture/store a full raw 14 bit image rather than compressed 8 bit 7. Menu Option to lock the delete button to prevent accidental deletes 8. Option for full screen histogram and or cross hatch overlay on image 9. Ability to scroll from image to image while zoomed in (like hold set button while using arrow keys) 10. SDHC card support This completes my top 10 fixes/improvements in priority order. Anyone agree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 2, 2007 Share #32 Posted June 2, 2007 Picking up on the suggestion to get rid of the delete and protect buttons, they are useful to some. Making this function an option in the menu would be very nice. The option would be "disable." Frankly, the delete button is much scarier than anything Leica is trying to protect us from. I'm with Guy, storage is cheap -- kill the delete function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 2, 2007 Share #33 Posted June 2, 2007 If I can add one other simple feature, add the frame number to the blck bar above the image preview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted June 2, 2007 Share #34 Posted June 2, 2007 9. Ability to scroll from image to image while zoomed in (like hold set button while using arrow keys) this feature already exists. simply zoom into your image, then hold 'Play' and arrow back and forth between your images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 2, 2007 Share #35 Posted June 2, 2007 Line by line John. Looks good 1. Fix the known bugs (WB, Menu stutter, lock ups, etc.) by now they probably have a pretty comprehensive list of known software bugs and most companies want their product to function as described in their manuals to avoid potential legal challenges down the road. This one is well documented and those fixes and bugs are in the hands of Leica and have been 2. Better in camera noise reduction at ISO 1250 and 2500 technically this is a maybe given there working within certain limitations and with CCD and the way the hardware is setup and how the processor reads the images. Not being a engineer here it maybe able to do within reason, but i would think Leica has worked very hard to get it to this point also NEW FEATURES (easy to add): 3. Add a menu to allow for lens selection to use uncoded lenses (it would be nice if it had a sub menu to specify f-stop for exif recording which might be useful for cyan correction too). Already on the books and been in Leica's hands for awhile now 4. Quiet mode as has been described in this thread This one Scott and I sent in just a month ago 5. Option to use Protect button as a direct path to ISO Newbie 6. Option to capture/store a full raw 14 bit image rather than compressed 8 bit That also was sent in 7. Menu Option to lock the delete button to prevent accidental deletes newbie and i like this idea 8. Option for full screen histogram and or cross hatch overlay on image This one was asked for and in my message like the white line Full LCD like the DMR. This is a great setup 9. Ability to scroll from image to image while zoomed in (like hold set button while using arrow keys) This you can do today . Just hold play button and hit back arrow or forward arrow key while zoomed. If i am reading this correct 10. SDHC card support Also has been on the list for awhile now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 2, 2007 Share #36 Posted June 2, 2007 Line by line John. Looks good 9. Ability to scroll from image to image while zoomed in (like hold set button while using arrow keys) This you can do today . Just hold play button and hit back arrow or forward arrow key while zoomed. If i am reading this correct Yes that is correct. Just hold down the "Play" button and use the arrow keys/buttons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 2, 2007 Share #37 Posted June 2, 2007 GREAT! I missed that. Replace item 9 with add frame number to black data bar above preview. Also, I forgot in the bugs to mention Bill's concern for not storing the shutter press whent he buffer is full (both should be easy fixes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted June 2, 2007 Share #38 Posted June 2, 2007 My apologies for coming late to this thread. About various requests to make the left side buttons do one thing or another. This could be ongoing ad infinitum. There seems to be one solution though that is universal, and easy to implement: Make the button funtions menu selectable. All of them. Then we can all program them to be whatever we want them to be. A similar function already exists on the Digilux-2; and likely many others that I am not familiar with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 2, 2007 Share #39 Posted June 2, 2007 There are many great feature ideas posted but I think the prioritiezed list should be:FIXES: 1. Fix the known bugs (WB, Menu stutter, lock ups, etc.) by now they probably have a pretty comprehensive list of known software bugs and most companies want their product to function as described in their manuals to avoid potential legal challenges down the road. 2. Better in camera noise reduction at ISO 1250 and 2500 NEW FEATURES (easy to add): 3. Add a menu to allow for lens selection to use uncoded lenses (it would be nice if it had a sub menu to specify f-stop for exif recording which might be useful for cyan correction too). 4. Quiet mode as has been described in this thread 5. Option to use Protect button as a direct path to ISO 6. Option to capture/store a full raw 14 bit image rather than compressed 8 bit 7. Menu Option to lock the delete button to prevent accidental deletes 8. Option for full screen histogram and or cross hatch overlay on image 9. Ability to scroll from image to image while zoomed in (like hold set button while using arrow keys) 10. SDHC card support This completes my top 10 fixes/improvements in priority order. Anyone agree? Regarding #8 - I think the option to have a full screen clipping warning as well (the blinking red). Just can't see it in that little window. And, yes I know all about the current menu options. I want the option to use it (and/or histogram overlay) without auto review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted June 3, 2007 Share #40 Posted June 3, 2007 Still on my wishlist for firmware updates would be to preserve the volume label from the SD card when reformatting in the camera. So instead of naming every card 'NO NAME', you could format a card in a computer, give it a card unique name, and when you reformat that card in the camera, it would keep the unique name. This is not hard to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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