hrosell Posted May 31, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can anyone comment on these devices' abilities to handle the DNG files of the M8? I have seen some monhs ago a couple of threads about this topic and I recall that one or the other could not open the M8 files, but I wonder if with 1.102 and the evolution of these devices the situation has improved. The intention is to store and view the images on the go sparing the use of a laptop on travels around the country/mountains. Thanks in advance, Horacio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cocker Posted May 31, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 31, 2007 Horacio, The Epson stores the DNG's but does not show them. (I have the Epson P-3000) I understand from other posts that the Jobo does show them. I decided to get the Epson because it does other things as well and seems to have a better screen. For me I want a compact file storage to download my cards to on holidays and trips and the Epson is great for that. Others may have views on the Jobo. Best wishes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted May 31, 2007 Share #3 Posted May 31, 2007 Agree with Keith.... the epson ( Ihave a 4000 and a 5000) are small and work ver effectively. I have been using them with my DMRs and M8s. You can see the JPEGs without problem but the DNGs will not be visualized... However, EPSON is quality... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted May 31, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 31, 2007 Can anyone comment on these devices' abilities to handle the DNG files of the M8? I have seen some monhs ago a couple of threads about this topic and I recall that one or the other could not open the M8 files, but I wonder if with 1.102 and the evolution of these devices the situation has improved. The intention is to store and view the images on the go sparing the use of a laptop on travels around the country/mountains.Thanks in advance, Horacio Horacio, I tried to look up the P5000 camera list, even for Argentina, but the website was too slow. I am an Epson P2000 'enamorado' for already 2 years. It does not read M8 DNG's, but the obvious, and readily working, solution is to also make a jpg and then download. The P 2000 faithfully downloads all files and only shows the jpg's so it's up to you what resolution you like. To be sure: try it out! The P2000, and sure the P5000, is a wonderful machine. It's battery lasts for ages, it works at 4000 meters (Peru) where all Ipods crashed, and also did well in the Borneo jungle. Highly recommended, and I am not taking my laptop to Indonesia in July :-) On a personal note: 'enamorado' I am also of Argentina, and I will never forget our dinner some years ago in a wonderful Puerto Madero restaurant with a Rutini Malbec 1998 that was heaven :-) My website (below) shows some pictures of the Salta region and a trekking north of Cachi. But I already visited Tierra del Fuego in 1978! After I bought my first Leica (M4-2) in Buenos Aires. Saludos from Amsterdam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbican Posted May 31, 2007 Share #5 Posted May 31, 2007 I know you said the intention was to store AND view, but if you haven't done so already it is worth considering if the view part is necessary. I've been working with a Hyperdrive SPACE for the past two months and it has been a champion. You can't view any pictures. It does checksums to verify the files (more trustworthy, in fact, than any thumbnail picture). It handles DNGs. Apart from price, the big advantage to me is juice power. It hasn't needed a recharge after several dozen GB of transfer. I'm taking it around asia for several months. Files can be viewed at internet cafes with a USB cable and a USB flash drive loaded with C1. I acknowledge there are many instances where 'seeing' the pictures is necessary, I just thought I'd throw it into the mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted May 31, 2007 Share #6 Posted May 31, 2007 I've got the Jobo and after it's latets firmware update it can show the DNG files. You can choose wheter you want to see the embedded jpg or the actual raw file. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted May 31, 2007 Share #7 Posted May 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've got the Jobo and after it's latets firmware update it can show the DNG files. You can choose wheter you want to see the embedded jpg or the actual raw file. Hans Hans Are you getting a full screen view of thr RAW image? The Jobo website indicates that you can only display the thumbnail ..but that both the M8 and the R9/DMR RAW DNG s are supported . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted May 31, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 31, 2007 I'm using the P-5000, as other users have said - you can't preview the DNG, however the jpg files show up fine. The additional storage space for small jpg's is pretty trivial on an 80gb device imho. The screen is really good, and the SD backup is one-touch. You can also use it as a usb drive when attached to the PC, and it mounts the SD, CF, and a further USB device (thumb drive or other low power device) as additional drives. The AV output is pretty nice if you want to do a slideshow for someone as you can plug it into a TV. Also has a headphone jack and you can play movies or the like if you want. The battery life is pretty good, and it takes a 5v dc input, so you should be able to use one of those solar panel rechargers or recharge from a vehicle. I got a screen protecter for it from the Duratec guys who make them for the M8. For rough/wet/dusty conditions, I would put it into one of the mini Peli cases along with the cables. The supplied case is not water resistant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted May 31, 2007 Share #9 Posted May 31, 2007 Hans Are you getting a full screen view of thr RAW image? The Jobo website indicates that you can only display the thumbnail ..but that both the M8 and the R9/DMR RAW DNG s are supported . Hi Roger, The initial preview you get is not full screen, but you can zoom in afterwards and view your pictures at 100 procent and fullscreen. It's a bit slow, but it works. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 1, 2007 Share #10 Posted June 1, 2007 Hi Horacio, I travelled late last year for a month in Morocco with the GigaVu (Non Pro) and it was brilliant. Very compact, EXTREMELY rugged build and case. They call it an oyster shell I think. The HD is suspended internally, protecting it from very rugged use, which mine got. On my return, after querying the DNG facility, my dealer exchanged my unit for the Pro, which with the current firmware upgrade, does view M8 DNG's, at thumbnail. But they DO zoom to full screen. I had a clear choice of going Epson or JOBO, and after making extensive enquiries, resolved that the JOBO is much better to suited to location and particularly travel. No need at all for a laptop, unless you want it for other reasons. The reason I upgraded was because I do not shoot jpeg, or DNG+jpeg. The latter definitely has a slower write spe4ed than DNG only and I have no use for jpegs anyway, so reading the DNG's on the JOBO was an issue. It did always, howecer, confirm that the files had copied OK, which was enough for me. With latest version, I am laughing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted June 1, 2007 Share #11 Posted June 1, 2007 I'm pleased with the GVPE and it's DNG-handling abilities, but seriously? I don't think this is the make-or-break feature some folks think it is: If you want to simply get a feel for the accuracy of your exposure, for instance, just shoot Raw+JPEG and view the JPEG images. Even JPEG Basic looks very fine on the small screen. Upgrading GVPE's hard drive is simple, and I've currently got a 120 gigabyte Seagate installed in mine, and I was glad for the highish capacity, because on my last 3-week vacation, I exceeded 40 gigabytes. Next time, I will probably also carry a compact external USB hard drive, because GVPE can back up directly to one of these for added peace of mind. And unlike carrying a notebook computer, you don't have to dig these things out of your bag when you go through airport security. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 1, 2007 Share #12 Posted June 1, 2007 Hi Roger, The initial preview you get is not full screen, but you can zoom in afterwards and view your pictures at 100 procent and fullscreen. It's a bit slow, but it works. Hans Well Hans, I bought a Jobo today and upgraded to the latest firmware and I can't make it zoom to full screen. I can make it zoom the thumbnail to full screen but it is pixellated and therefore impossible to gauge for sharpness - and the loupe feature does not work either. I'm exchanging mine for an Epson 5000 tomorrow and intend to shoot RAW + JPEG from now on... But if I'm simply missing something, please let me know! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 1, 2007 Share #13 Posted June 1, 2007 OK, sorry, I got that wrong. There is a deeply buried setting that allows you to choose for the Jobo to use the RAW data rather than the embedded JPEG thumb. But boy does it suck. I time it to render the file (in four stages!) and then display it on screen at one minute and three seconds PER IMAGE for a RAW file. That is simply no use whatsoever, meaning that one has to shoot RAW+JPEG if this device is to be used for review rather than just storage. Not sure if the Epson is any better - it seems to be less robust and have a less bright screen from what I read. There has to be something better than this though! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 1, 2007 Share #14 Posted June 1, 2007 Darn been wanting one of these to work since my DMR. That is a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 2, 2007 Share #15 Posted June 2, 2007 Darn been wanting one of these to work since my DMR. That is a long time Guy, I've been playing with this Jobo Monster thing this evening and if the Epson is worse I will just have to tape a laptop to my rear-end. When you finally get the menu option that gives you the ability to zoom the M8 RAW file, then wait over a minute for it to happen, the so-called 1:1 zoom view gives an image approx. half the size of a 100% crop view on my Mac and approx. half the size of full chimp on the M8 . I am sure there's good math behind it but it's cruddy in terms of ability to judge the focus of a shot. However, the white balance is better than Lightroom - the Jobo file looks very like an eye-dropper adjusted shot in Lightroom though the colours are cruder - zingy but closer to posterized. Overall I cannot believe how SLOOOW the thing is. It may download a card fast but Lord do you lose that advantage when you try to actually look at a file. It ..... takes..... (zzzzz.. wake up...zzzz...) for EVER: 20 seconds from power on to get to thumb view (a splash screen that makes my Sony Ericsson cell phone look like its been on a branding modesty course). Even with an M8 JPEG when you try to open it, about 25 seconds elapse whilst it 'decodes' and 'applies colour profile' before you get the full Monty. Check this out: let's say you shoot pegs only, and you have to review a 300 shot day. That's an hour and a half (correct my math someone, please!) just to get to SEE the things, before you even get to check them out in any detail. And at my rough estimation, life is far too short for the Jobo to play a part in it. GagaView. :-( Tim ps the loupe function does work on an M8 file but at the edges of the frame, the area selected in the loupe does not correspond correctly to the zoomed view. Clutzy and not acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 2, 2007 Share #16 Posted June 2, 2007 Thanks Tim and others , looks like i will wait even longer . Seriously i think it is almost 2 years for this item for DMR first and now the M8. Bummer but i do have the laptop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted June 2, 2007 Share #17 Posted June 2, 2007 From my personal experience (and others too) P2000 - It finally happened to me... "Press Reset": Storage and Media Forum: Digital Photography Review "Worked fine over the weekend, powered up yesterday AM and my heart skipped a couple of beats... The infamous "Press Reset". Of course reset doesn't help. Pulled the battery and let it sit for 24 hours and no change. I can hear the HD spinning up. Time to tear it apart and put the drive in an external case to verify it works. My best guess is that the OS is corrupted, and until this week I thought everything was in EPROM/Flash. Didn't even know there was an OS on there. It's out'a warranty and Epson tech service says 'if the problem continues' it will need service - Duh!" http://tinyurl.com/3xdnsv "Please direct me if there's a better site to query than here, either with Nikonians or elsewhere. While on vacation, I stored images to the Epson P2000. After accepting 3 gigs of photos it started acting up commanding me to press reset button. After that, that's the only result I've been able to achieve. I contacted Epson, they said to hold reset for 10 seconds. Did that with same result. When got home I tried connecting PC to the Epson to see if it would still pick up the images. Unfortunately, it's not recognizing that the Epson is connected. The Epson guy said I would likely lose the images if sent in to service center. This is not a pleasant outcome. Before I ship to Epson, are there other options or suggestions?" Epson p2000 problem [Archive] - Canon Digital Photography Forums "If you were to format to the HDD it will invalidate the warranty and also cost £152 pounds to load the software on there to function" The key point is: Once is happenend to your P2000-P5000, a small corrupted file it can break down your OS, and there is no way for you to restore the OS or break in (since it will avoid the warranty) The FAQ for P2000-5000 in Epson site all have the same answers that there is no way for us to restore the system, only the guy in Epson can do it (and no guarantee you will get the data that you save). It happend to me, and it can happen to you too Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 2, 2007 Share #18 Posted June 2, 2007 Thanks Jerry, very useful info - maybe I'll hang on to the Jobo after all - though its buttons are so hard to press that I'd have to call tech service to do that routine for me! :-( T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted June 2, 2007 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2007 Hi Tim, I said it was slow, but who's going to check their focus after downloading all their files in a external drive. For me the screen is manly there to assure me that my files have actually transferred. I needed I check focus on the screen of my camera right after I take a shot. Checking it after an entire shoot makes no sense. Besides the screen is way too small check anything important, but fron what i heard before i went for the Jobo is that it's screen is a little better than the Epsons. The buttons are indeed a little hard to press. I use the edge of my nail. It's not a laptop. It's just a storage device. Nothing more, nothing less. It's come in handy a couple of times already when i did not want to carry too much gear with me. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted June 2, 2007 Share #20 Posted June 2, 2007 Well, I'll offer a counterpoint to the Epson 'issues' posted here. I've used myP-4000 extensively for a couple of years now and had absolutely ZERO problems with it, not one. I've dropped, bashed it about a bit, travelled probably in excess of 200,000 miles with it and it still soldiers on faultlessly. As described by others, you do need to store DNG + JPG if you want to review the images on screen but it certainly doesn't take anything more than a few seconds to render a zoomable/histogram viewable JPG file. Frankly the experiences described here are typical of ANY device, including the M8. I've never run into the reset issue (and I use this thing daily), although I do ensure that the unit is kept charged and have a 2nd battery that I travel with. Also, I recommend putting the Epson in a more robust travel case - I've used a Lowepro digital compact camera case in the past although now for international travel I use a transparent Pelican case so it's almost indestructable. Btw, if you're dumb enough to format the drive from your PC you shouldn't be surprised if the unit doesn't work any more! Follow a simple workflow of load images from cards on to the unit, connect unit to PC/Mac and copy files off from the CARDS directory. I NEVER delete or format the unit via the USB connection but instead use the menu commands. This thing has been flawless working with Nikon RAW's (still recommend raw + jpg for histogram), Kodak raw files, Leica DNG + JPG, plus also Canon CR2 / CRW raw files. I do wish that it supported previews of more raw formats but in reality shooting a JPG alongside provides far better support for zoom/view/histogram anyway. You only need a basic high compression JPG so space needn't be an issue. Not sure if the P-4000 is faster than the P-2000 but I don't find performance an issue as I put in the card and let the copy continue while I put another card in the camera. The unit will power off when it's finished at the end of the copy/timeout anyway. Of course, your mileage may vary but reading the entries here would have you believe that these things are junk. They aren't. (Reminds me of the M8 scare-moungering actually ...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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