pop Posted January 11, 2016 Share #61 Posted January 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is what the EXIF data tells us: canon: ISO 800; 1/50; 1:4.0; automatic white balance; Color space "unknown" (-1) Q: ISO 800; 1/60; 1:3.5; automatic white balance; Color space "unknown" (-1) SL: ISO 800; 1/80; 1:8; manual white balance; sRGB That would make any comparison quite difficult, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ramarren Posted January 11, 2016 Share #62 Posted January 11, 2016 Processing my DNGs in LR6.3, I do not get the yellow highlights nor the cyan skies. By default, the DNGs out of my SL are almost indistinguishable from JPEGs. And the video capture looks identical to the JPEGs. So I am quite perplexed as to how you're getting these odd colors out of the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #63 Posted January 11, 2016 the problem is that the video is the same as jpg, because is 8bit. In DNG problem does not exist. It is annoying to see this flaw also in the electronic viewfinder. I use jpg to give it to the clients to choose my photos. Don't work jpg, use only dng file. Leica will resolved with firmware update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #64 Posted January 11, 2016 This happens in jpg natives, not on dng files in LR. The problem exists and has not manifested only to me. Leica has responded to a new update firmware will be soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #65 Posted January 11, 2016 This is what the EXIF data tells us: canon: ISO 800; 1/50; 1:4.0; automatic white balance; Color space "unknown" (-1) Q: ISO 800; 1/60; 1:3.5; automatic white balance; Color space "unknown" (-1) SL: ISO 800; 1/80; 1:8; manual white balance; sRGB That would make any comparison quite difficult, I think. ok the problem exist. I will try specific test soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #66 Posted January 11, 2016 this is sample of overcyaned sky. I took this in Ethiopia last month (firmware ver1.2). fitst one is from DNG (by LR without pp) , next is from SL's jpg. (saturation, contrast , sharpness settingss are all default : medium ) L1060107_dng.jpg L1060107 2_jpg.jpg very cheap sky color, like a iphone's HDR. it's very easy to reproduce ,just take a picture of something under the cloudy sky. Leica MUST fix this. the same problem, not a normaly jpg. new firmware will adjust this colored ciano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 11, 2016 Share #67 Posted January 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use jpg to give it to the clients to choose my photos. Don't work jpg, use only dng file. The only current solution is to batch process the DNG's into JPG's from LR rather that use the JPG from the camera. That solves your problem ...... annoying ......... but in reality just involves a few seconds work in LR ....... ... and then you will guarantee your clients will see something virtually identical to the prints you will eventually make for them ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share #68 Posted January 12, 2016 The only current solution is to batch process the DNG's into JPG's from LR rather that use the JPG from the camera. That solves your problem ...... annoying ......... but in reality just involves a few seconds work in LR ....... ... and then you will guarantee your clients will see something virtually identical to the prints you will eventually make for them ..... Ok and video solution? the problem is the same in video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 12, 2016 Share #69 Posted January 12, 2016 I have no solution ....... The issue is in fact the basic SL embedded colour profiles ....... I have found some 'difficult images' with mixed lighting/high contrast that exaggerates/shows what you report: These are DNG's .... the first image is the camera embedded profile in LR ....... the second is the Adobe Standard in LR ..... auto WB. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! All the colour channels seem to be over-saturated on the embedded profile...... Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! All the colour channels seem to be over-saturated on the embedded profile...... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255403-problem-highlights-leica-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2967187'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2016 Share #70 Posted January 12, 2016 I have no solution ....... The issue is in fact the basic SL embedded colour profiles ....... I have found some 'difficult images' with mixed lighting/high contrast that exaggerates/shows what you report: These are DNG's .... the first image is the camera embedded profile in LR ....... the second is the Adobe Standard in LR ..... auto WB. L1300310.jpg L1300310-2.jpg All the colour channels seem to be over-saturated on the embedded profile...... Yes, but then we get a case like the image in post #56, the camera gets the blues in the dress of the lady more or less correct, but shifts the blue of the sky to a rather nasty Cyan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share #71 Posted January 12, 2016 Answer from Leica Germany: Sehr geehrter Herr Gallegra, das Problematik mit dem Weißabgleich ist uns bekannt und wirso schnell wie möglich durch ein Firmwareupdate behoben.Sobald das Firmwareupdate zur Verfügung steht wird es in Ihrer " Members Area " zum Download bereitgestellt.Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards Dear Mr Gallegra, the problem with the white balance is known to us and we as soon as possible fixed by a firmware update. Once the firmware update is available, it is provided in your "Members Area" to download. Sincerely, / Kind regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 12, 2016 Share #72 Posted January 12, 2016 Yes, but then we get a case like the image in post #56, the camera gets the blues in the dress of the lady more or less correct, but shifts the blue of the sky to a rather nasty Cyan. over-exposure seems to exaggerate to effect ..... ..... it was the same with the red channel on the M240 before they corrected (well, improved) it .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 13, 2016 Share #73 Posted January 13, 2016 Now we are having an informed discussion. I really feel that we have to resist the urge to be dismissive when a user, who actually owns a camera and is not trolling, has a legitimate complaint and concern. Sometimes, it is our responsibility to expose these flaws and get Leica to fix them. They have proven many times in the past that they are paying attention to this forum, and fixing these bugs makes them a stronger company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 13, 2016 Share #74 Posted January 13, 2016 Now we are having an informed discussion. I really feel that we have to resist the urge to be dismissive when a user, who actually owns a camera and is not trolling, has a legitimate complaint and concern. Sometimes, it is our responsibility to expose these flaws and get Leica to fix them. They have proven many times in the past that they are paying attention to this forum, and fixing these bugs makes them a stronger company. Agreed. I also think that Jurijgallegra should be commended for his patience, perseverance and politeness in explaining the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 13, 2016 Share #75 Posted January 13, 2016 I still don't see any of this weird color with my SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 13, 2016 Share #76 Posted January 13, 2016 I still don't see any of this weird color with my SL. I had to fish a load of JPG's from the trash can and hunt through till I found a couple of likely suspects ..... like the one above. I have videos of the same scene which were initially awful too ..... but for the last couple I took a greycard custom WB setting from the wall next to me and they look fine ...... not perfect, but there again with mixed lighting outdoors at night you can't expect miracles. If I didn't exclusively use DNG's this might have shown up sooner ....... and for those that had SL's early the original embedded LR profile did produce quite over-saturated images ..... but the corrected Abobe Standard was available within a few weeks so most would be unaware that the 'native' SL colour profile/WB was slightly off ..... As usual ..... unless you look critically at something yourself it is unwise to believe/disbelieve what others show/state on the forum ...... or call someone else a fool unless you are 100% sure ...... .... that is unless you are our comrade from Wonderland who regards everyone on the Leica forum as one .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share #77 Posted January 13, 2016 This defect appears not always, but in some circumstances and often with an automatic WB. Knowing the camera push her over to notice the problem. Another strange thing that happened to me but that is not influential: photographing with 24-90 to 24 on the DNG preview on APPLE is wider and slightly distorted the DNG real that then opens in camera raw. As soon as I will show you this' latest discovery, but not influential. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254834-vignette-problem/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 14, 2016 Share #78 Posted January 14, 2016 I had to fish a load of JPG's from the trash can and hunt through till I found a couple of likely suspects ..... like the one above. I have videos of the same scene which were initially awful too ..... but for the last couple I took a greycard custom WB setting from the wall next to me and they look fine ...... not perfect, but there again with mixed lighting outdoors at night you can't expect miracles. If I didn't exclusively use DNG's this might have shown up sooner ....... and for those that had SL's early the original embedded LR profile did produce quite over-saturated images ..... but the corrected Abobe Standard was available within a few weeks so most would be unaware that the 'native' SL colour profile/WB was slightly off ..... As usual ..... unless you look critically at something yourself it is unwise to believe/disbelieve what others show/state on the forum ...... or call someone else a fool unless you are 100% sure ...... .... that is unless you are our comrade from Wonderland who regards everyone on the Leica forum as one .... This defect appears not always, but in some circumstances and often with an automatic WB. Knowing the camera push her over to notice the problem. Another strange thing that happened to me but that is not influential: photographing with 24-90 to 24 on the DNG preview on APPLE is wider and slightly distorted the DNG real that then opens in camera raw. As soon as I will show you this' latest discovery, but not influential. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254834-vignette-problem/ Well, I looked through all 1,790-some exposures I've made with the SL trying to find the weird color problems. Every one. ALL of them were made with WB on Auto. Every one. There are several with blown highlights and deep blacks in the same frame. None of them show cyan skies or yellow highlights. Maybe I just live right. ;-) I'm not sure whether the Apple raw processing engine honors Leica SL 24-90 lens corrections. If it doesn't, the 24-90 will likely show a slightly wider FoV at every focal length than Camera Raw or Lightroom 6.3. (Apple's "Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 6.18" included the Leica SL camera calibration profile.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 15, 2016 Share #79 Posted January 15, 2016 Well, I looked through all 1,790-some exposures I've made with the SL trying to find the weird color problems. Every one. ALL of them were made with WB on Auto. Every one. There are several with blown highlights and deep blacks in the same frame. None of them show cyan skies or yellow highlights. Maybe I just live right. ;-) And these were in-camera-JPEGS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 15, 2016 Share #80 Posted January 15, 2016 And these were in-camera-JPEGS? Yes. I always have the camera set to JPEG+raw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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