Rick Posted January 5, 2016 Share #41 Â Posted January 5, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jeff, Â I wonder what that means... the best they have ever taken apart? Â Do you think lens rental has ever taken apart a Leica Zoom lens? Â We really don't know. Â So, a rather meaningless statement as far as having meaning, huh? Â Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Hi Rick, Take a look here 70-200mm zoom for M (240)?/Beyond 90 mm on the M240 (MERGED). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
vladik Posted January 5, 2016 Share #42 Â Posted January 5, 2016 Just for fun I have used my friend's Nikon's AF zoom lens with my novoflex adapter on M240. Although it is possible to shoot, I didn't like the continuous aperture control (via the adapter). I had no idea what aperture I was using and the control was not linear from wide open to stop down (at least for my combo). I also felt that it was way too bulky compared to R lenses. Â As others have suggested before, an old 135mm RF lens is way better choice if you don't need the flexibility of zoom. I have 135 Tele-Elmar f4 and it is a pleasure to shoot. Â Â Thank you for your reply jmahto. I was not aware that the Novoflex adapter is operating as a continues control, but it makes sense as on Nikon body lens aperture in set by the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolyproductions Posted January 5, 2016 Share #43 Â Posted January 5, 2016 This is an excellent lens and has its own aperture control (it is the lens prior to the 70-200). Used to have one for my D700 Â http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-zoom-nikkor-80-200mm-f%252f2.8d-ed.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 5, 2016 Share #44  Posted January 5, 2016 This is an excellent lens and has its own aperture control (it is the lens prior to the 70-200). Used to have one for my D700  http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-zoom-nikkor-80-200mm-f%252f2.8d-ed.html I learned the hard way that even if you have a Nikon lens with own aperture control, the Novoflex adapter has to be set to the smallest setting. If you accidentally leave the setting to the widest (as shown below) then aperture control on the lens has no effect and the lens remains open wide. There is no way to know this other than noticing a higher shutter speed. This is something one should be aware of.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255226-70-200mm-zoom-for-m-240beyond-90-mm-on-the-m240-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2962661'>More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 5, 2016 Share #45 Â Posted January 5, 2016 Thank you for your reply jmahto. I was not aware that the Novoflex adapter is operating as a continues control, but it makes sense as on Nikon body lens aperture in set by the camera. Please refer to my above post (with picture) on the other issue with continuous control where adapter can override aperture control set on the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted January 5, 2016 Share #46  Posted January 5, 2016 I have the 70-210/4 Vario-Elmar, which is about 2/3 the weight of the 80-200/4, and also a 1-touch, which I find faster for handheld work. It also had a stellar reputation optically, ahead of most if its contemporaries, and holds up extremely well against the 80-200/4 (which I owned also). It cost me about $250 last year.   That said, I guess I'm spoiled by Image Stabilizer, as I find I get sharper results from my 70-300-IS non-L than the 70-210 R when comparing them both on my 5D, and the M240 is even less ergonomic with long, heavy lenses. Plus I really don't care for EVF's.  In practice, I find from an ergonomic standpoint as well as IQ that I prefer using my 135 T-E and cropping a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 5, 2016 Share #47 Â Posted January 5, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder what that means... the best they have ever taken apart? Â Do you think lens rental has ever taken apart a Leica Zoom lens? Â We really don't know. Â So, a rather meaningless statement as far as having meaning, huh? Â We don't know if they have ever taken apart a Leica Zoom lens, but for sure they have taken apart a lot of other lenses (including Zeiss ones), and these guys have a very good reputation. So you can still sleep at night: the statement does not mean that "Canon lenses are better build than Leica ones", but it certainly means some Canon lenses are excellently built. And this is not a meaningless statement at all ! Â I for one can say that in the last few years Canon lenses have improved a lot, both in build quality and performance. Add to Jeff's zooms list also the latest 70-200/2.8 IS (v2). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 5, 2016 Share #48 Â Posted January 5, 2016 +1 Â Â Roger Cicala is one of the most objective and knowledgeable guys in the business....tells it like it is, Â and cuts through a lot of myths and crap on the net, based on first hand experience. Â This includes Leica gear, which he routinely rents out and has thereby has intimate knowledge about its workings, what breaks and what doesn't. And when it breaks, he usually fixes it, just like his other rental equipment. Â He's one of the few people Mike Johnston from TOP trusts and follows on the gear and technical side of things. Â The other point I was trying to make is not Canon or Leica-specific; rather it's that many lens manufacturers these days are turning out exponentially better products than in the past, due in large part to computer technology that never existed before. Â I'm not the first to make this observation, and there are numerous recent examples....Canon included. Â This was in response to Rick's question "Will we ever see a lens like this again?" Â Well, maybe not that specific lens, but I'd say it's more likely now than ever to witness lens...and camera...improvements. Â These are great times for gear choices of all types. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 5, 2016 Share #49  Posted January 5, 2016  I for one can say that in the last few years Canon lenses have improved a lot, both in build quality and performance. Add to Jeff's zooms list also the latest 70-200/2.8 IS (v2).  And the 16-35L v.2....better in every way than the prior version.  Oh, and yes, Roger took one apart... http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/07/of-course-we-took-one-apart  Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandA Posted January 5, 2016 Share #50  Posted January 5, 2016 +1   Roger Cicala is one of the most objective and knowledgeable guys in the business....tells it like it is,  and cuts through a lot of myths and crap on the net, based on first hand experience.  This includes Leica gear, which he routinely rents out and has thereby has intimate knowledge about its workings, what breaks and what doesn't. And when it breaks, he usually fixes it, just like his other rental equipment.  He's one of the few people Mike Johnston from TOP trusts and follows on the gear and technical side of things.  The other point I was trying to make is not Canon or Leica-specific; rather it's that many lens manufacturers these days are turning out exponentially better products than in the past, due in large part to computer technology that never existed before.  I'm not the first to make this observation, and there are numerous recent examples....Canon included.  This was in response to Rick's question "Will we ever see a lens like this again?"  Well, maybe not that specific lens, but I'd say it's more likely now than ever to witness lens...and camera...improvements.  These are great times for gear choices of all types.  Jeff  +1 for Roger Cicala. Known him since his public involvement with lenses, lens testing and rentals. His innate knowledge of lens performance, construction and testing methodology is to be admired and trusted. He also doesn't rely on a single sample to make general pronouncements about absolute performance.  Dave (D&A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 6, 2016 Share #51 Â Posted January 6, 2016 +1 Â Â Roger Cicala is one of the most objective and knowledgeable guys in the business....tells it like it is, Â and cuts through a lot of myths and crap on the net, based on first hand experience. Â This includes Leica gear, which he routinely rents out and has thereby has intimate knowledge about its workings, what breaks and what doesn't. And when it breaks, he usually fixes it, just like his other rental equipment. Â He's one of the few people Mike Johnston from TOP trusts and follows on the gear and technical side of things. Â The other point I was trying to make is not Canon or Leica-specific; rather it's that many lens manufacturers these days are turning out exponentially better products than in the past, due in large part to computer technology that never existed before. Â I'm not the first to make this observation, and there are numerous recent examples....Canon included. Â This was in response to Rick's question "Will we ever see a lens like this again?" Â Well, maybe not that specific lens, but I'd say it's more likely now than ever to witness lens...and camera...improvements. Â These are great times for gear choices of all types. Â Jeff Highlight mine... Â I am sure the engineering techniques (computer aided and all) will keep improving and it will be easier to make a great lens at less cost..... However I am not so sure about the direction product marketing and strategy will take. Not always the "best built product ever" is in the interest of the manufacturer. Manufacturers are being smarter than in the past about what level of build quality (and product quality, whatever it means). It is all market driven and planned obsolescence is a very smart business strategy... Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 6, 2016 Share #52 Â Posted January 6, 2016 It is all market driven and planned obsolescence is a very smart business strategy... Â Â Yes it is, but comparing this with the slow release cycles of decades ago, I really think this is the lesser evil. The good thing about photography is that we do not need the latest and greatest to be good photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 6, 2016 Share #53 Â Posted January 6, 2016 Highlight mine... Â I am sure the engineering techniques (computer aided and all) will keep improving and it will be easier to make a great lens at less cost..... However I am not so sure about the direction product marketing and strategy will take. Not always the "best built product ever" is in the interest of the manufacturer. Manufacturers are being smarter than in the past about what level of build quality (and product quality, whatever it means). It is all market driven and planned obsolescence is a very smart business strategy... Â Â That's why I cited recent (Canon) examples of lenses that are superb and practical tools to meet photographers' demands, not marketing gimmicks....and there are examples from various other manufacturers....and not just the usual Leica and Zeiss. Â Michael Reichmann from LuLa (who has been known to use and test lots of gear, from Phase, Leica on down) recently listed his most exciting lenses of the year....the ART line from Sigma. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 6, 2016 Share #54 Â Posted January 6, 2016 Well, there is nothing new there. Canon LTM lenses from the fifties are at least as good as the Leitz offerings of the time and mechanically better, for instance. Leica had no problem to rebadge Sigma, Minolta, etc. R lenses, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted January 11, 2016 Share #55 Â Posted January 11, 2016 I guess that the lens must have a tripod collar for using it on the tripod to avoid risking of damaging the camera body Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted January 11, 2016 Share #56  Posted January 11, 2016 Well, there is nothing new there. Canon LTM lenses from the fifties are at least as good as the Leitz offerings of the time and mechanically better, for instance. Leica had no problem to rebadge Sigma, Minolta, etc. R lenses, etc.  In the early sixties the Canon 100mm f/3.5 LTM lens was noticeably superior optically to the then current Leica 90mm f/4 Elmar.  One of my neighbours just returned from a trip to Northern Canada where he used the latest version of a Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM on a Canon EOS 1D. The resulting pictures of Polar Bears are quite stunning.  There is nothing wrong with Canon gear.  Let us hope that the lenses planned for the new Leica SL are at least as good as the current lenses from Canon and Nikon - if not Leica are going to struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted January 12, 2016 Share #57  Posted January 12, 2016 Hopefully the Mk II of that ^ zoom is better sealed than the MK I. I had the latter and it pulled in dust like a vacuum cleaner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 17, 2016 Share #58  Posted January 17, 2016 You won't go wrong with Janneau.   Hic! Peter, thanks !! I did enjoy it a lot.  << Could not find drunk and happy emoticon.  From my 80-200 Vario f/4 on M240 (so that it is relevant to this thread as well).  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255226-70-200mm-zoom-for-m-240beyond-90-mm-on-the-m240-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2970280'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2016 Share #59  Posted January 17, 2016 Hopefully the Mk II of that ^ zoom is better sealed than the MK I. I had the latter and it pulled in dust like a vacuum cleaner. A bit OT: It was not worthy of the L designation either. Low contrast and not very sharp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 17, 2016 Share #60  Posted January 17, 2016 80 200 F4 Nikor zoom + nikon to Leica adapter.    For less money 200 4.0 Ais Nikor .   135 3.5 or 2.8  NIKON, 180 nikon 2.8 last model with Manual focus or  auto focus.  Not zooms but very price effective.  Also 105 2.5 that everyone likes.  these are all under $150.   I own all these myself.  Stay with the modern multicoated lenses  Go to Nikon Cafe,  forums, lenses, pick the thread with the lens you like .  Lots of examples.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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