chris_livsey Posted February 14, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 14, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yeah...it's not for everyone. Enough said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 14, 2016 Posted February 14, 2016 Hi chris_livsey, Take a look here First roll of film in 10 years.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
oldwino Posted February 14, 2016 Share #22 Posted February 14, 2016 That was the most ignorant post I've seen all day. I dunno....made me laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted February 15, 2016 I think the Pakon is a good unit but with prices now high it makes sense for me at least to get the Epson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted February 15, 2016 Share #24 Posted February 15, 2016 I think the Pakon is a good unit but with prices now high it makes sense for me at least to get the Epson. Shiva , Epson is a good compromise and you can do MF if you want in the future look at these recent posts in "I like film" thread (D Max =3.7 versus Nikon scan=4) http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=2989302 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?p=2989081 For film 135 you can scan 24 poses in the same time . I advise you to have the Betterscanning glass which flattens the film.It's not expensive. http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/mainintro.html After sales service still in 2016 Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 15, 2016 Share #25 Posted February 15, 2016 That was the most ignorant post I've seen all day. It isn't fair pushing shortcuts and bodges forward as good practice just because you happen to find them fast or convenient. Some people may want to do better than that, so they need telling. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted February 15, 2016 Share #26 Posted February 15, 2016 It isn't fair pushing shortcuts and bodges forward as good practice just because you happen to find them fast or convenient. Some people may want to do better than that, so they need telling. Steve Again, more ill-informed ignorance. Please stop if you don't have first hand experience with this machine and know why folks love them so much. So far you have not said anything true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted February 15, 2016 Share #27 Posted February 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find it interesting how so many people are perfectly content with the "lab scans" that come with their developed film. To me, it is really selling their film photography short. Unfortunately, getting the most out of one's negatives takes a little more time and effort than with the digital workflow. Having said this, if despite learning about the pro and cons of the different workflows (which this forum is so good at providing given the quality of its members), people still want to take the "drug store" approach, and are happy with it, the more power to them!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 15, 2016 Share #28 Posted February 15, 2016 Unfortunately, getting the most out of one's negatives takes a little more time and effort than with the digital workflow. Having said this, if despite learning about the pro and cons of the different workflows (which this forum is so good at providing given the quality of its members), people still want to take the "drug store" approach, and are happy with it, the more power to them!!! I agree with both points. Of course, there is no reason why it has to be an either/or when it comes to this kind of thing. There is no reason why a user cannot be content with convenient non-optimal scans for a wide range of purposes and reserve a more considered approach (including Imacon or even drum scanning) for the real keepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted February 15, 2016 Share #29 Posted February 15, 2016 I agree with both points. Of course, there is no reason why it has to be an either/or when it comes to this kind of thing. There is no reason why a user cannot be content with convenient non-optimal scans for a wide range of purposes and reserve a more considered approach (including Imacon or even trim scanning) for the real keepers. right, totally agree, with the low res scans serving as a rough work print. My point, though, was that so many people don't even know the power of a high quality scan, and so can't appreciate it and thus it never finds its way into a workflow. It is particularly interesting with Leica digital user s as they are so obsessed with optical quality output with the cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted February 15, 2016 Share #30 Posted February 15, 2016 I find it interesting how so many people are perfectly content with the "lab scans" that come with their developed film. To me, it is really selling their film photography short. Unfortunately, getting the most out of one's negatives takes a little more time and effort than with the digital workflow. Having said this, if despite learning about the pro and cons of the different workflows (which this forum is so good at providing given the quality of its members), people still want to take the "drug store" approach, and are happy with it, the more power to them!!! You say "lab scans" like it's some sort of a disease. I've bounced my Pakon scans against some pretty well-regarded scanners (noritsu drum scan) and found that the TINY, MINISCULE amount of improvement wasn't worth the time and effort and many thousands of dollars spent to get it (that last .01% that didn't show up either on screen or on print.) I'm not selling anything short unless you think that everyone should be getting the highest quality drum scans available and anything less is selling their photography short...is that what you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted February 15, 2016 Share #31 Posted February 15, 2016 You say "lab scans" like it's some sort of a disease. I've bounced my Pakon scans against some pretty well-regarded scanners (noritsu drum scan) and found that the TINY, MINISCULE amount of improvement wasn't worth the time and effort and many thousands of dollars spent to get it (that last .01% that didn't show up either on screen or on print.) I'm not selling anything short unless you think that everyone should be getting the highest quality drum scans available and anything less is selling their photography short...is that what you think? This is purely a cases of horses for courses. If you are happy, that's all that matters. But the Pakon is not for everyone, that's for sure. So I personally think that it is perfectly appropriately to hear everyone's perspective on this. For certain purposes, such as meaningful PP and/or large printing or digital viewing, the quality of the scan matters a lot. Most of the people whom I know who are happy with their lab scans (i) don't have time for the editing necessary to get the most out of their negatives and (ii) don't intend to print big and (iii) only really intend for the images to be viewed on an iPhone or the low res limited Leica User Forum. So for these people the lab scan strikes a reasonable balance. In these fact scenarios, digital users don't need a full frame sensor and can do perfectly well with a cropped sensor; yet some of the very people who prefer an abbreviated analog scanning workflow also insist on a full frame digital Leica M. This seems a little internally inconsistent to me; but as I said - horses for courses I just know that when I started out my lab sold me on having scans done by them as part of my development package and for a long time I thought that was the best I could do. Over time, I learned about the other different options out there and landed on a workflow that suits me.... It is all about learning and sharing experiences with others. Sometimes, providing the other side to the coin comes across as a personal attack. But this shouldn't be taken this way. By the way, where have you been and why haven't we seen you on the I Like Film thread lately?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted February 15, 2016 Share #32 Posted February 15, 2016 It is all about learning and sharing experiences with others. Sometimes, providing the other side to the coin comes across as a personal attack. But this shouldn't be taken this way. By the way, where have you been and why haven't we seen you on the I Like Film thread lately?? Ok...got it. Sorry for coming across defensive I appreciate the help. Lol...I've been printing! I finally got my darkroom going so I'm doing printing every chance I get and so haven't been on that thread much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 16, 2016 Share #33 Posted February 16, 2016 Again, more ill-informed ignorance. Please stop if you don't have first hand experience with this machine and know why folks love them so much. So far you have not said anything true. I've told you why folks like the Pakon, because it's 'good enough' for quick lower quality work. Ever since the Pakon started to become widely available second hand six or seven years ago I've been reading what photographers have been saying about it and doing with it. And unsurprisingly there hasn't been anybody mounting exhibitions from images made with a Pakon scanner, but there have been a lot of people finding it good enough for web publishing. And these are people who've had them for years, nobody has managed to improve on 'good enough' no matter how much they try. And six or seven years ago it was possible to get a Pakon easily serviced, but now they are truly obsolete and require parts sourcing and specialists to repair and maintain them. For a fraction of the cost you can get an Epson V700 that does as well as the Pakon (good for web publishing 35mm) and takes a few minutes longer to make a digital contact sheet. And Epson is also a very good medium and large format scanner not to mention a conventional flatbed scanner, ideal for scanning darkroom prints to put onto the internet perhaps................? So point out in what aspect am I ignorant, instead of just saying it like you are an authority. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted February 16, 2016 Share #34 Posted February 16, 2016 I've told you why folks like the Pakon, because it's 'good enough' for quick lower quality work. Ever since the Pakon started to become widely available second hand six or seven years ago I've been reading what photographers have been saying about it and doing with it.... So point out in what aspect am I ignorant, instead of just saying it like you are an authority. Steve Like I said more than once, if you don't have any first hand experience... im done with this dumb conversation...have a good day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatetate Posted February 16, 2016 Share #35 Posted February 16, 2016 Pakon is all about ease and getting amazing results with less effort. I have got Pakon and Plusted 8200AI, Would only use Plustek if i need to make super large prints. still wouldnt match colours with my pakon ( Perhaps thats all about my skills with ai silver fast suite) I would buy another pakon if i could source one. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share #36 Posted February 16, 2016 I'm sad that my thread has been hijacked like this ;-) but agree that only those with direct experience should offer a contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatetate Posted February 16, 2016 Share #37 Posted February 16, 2016 Shiva, Just wanted to make sure you have all the possible input from members, because First roll in 10 years has to be scanned as well and that should help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted February 16, 2016 Share #38 Posted February 16, 2016 I'm sad that my thread has been hijacked like this ;-) but agree that only those with direct experience should offer a contribution. I apologize. I really do. It's a failing of mine that I allow myself to get sucked into internet squabbles. I'm trying to get better at ignoring stuff like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share #39 Posted February 16, 2016 Come on chaps, it was just a light hearted bit of banter. I've abandoned my new M-E since getting the old M6... Film is great so let's go out and shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share #40 Posted February 16, 2016 Wife and number 2, Mr Grayson. He will most likely get the M6 one day. Number 1 will have the MP ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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