scott kirkpatrick Posted December 19, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've always found my 100/2.8 APO-Macro-Elmarit-R to be excellent at distance. (Off course it's well known as class-leading for macro work.) Pete. After reading Puts V1 and Puts V2, I pulled out the Leica tech info sheets on both. The APO 100 has a lot more pieces of glass inside (that's why it's twice as long even at rest), but the MTFs for the two from 2.8 on up are almost identical. Both are outstanding in principle. The graph for the AA90-R wide open looks a bit more "interesting," but nothing compared to the 75/80 f/1.4s that it follows. My hunch is that the AA100 is essentially an early FLE design but made before they know how to move the rear element. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leicaiste Posted December 19, 2015 Share #22 Posted December 19, 2015 An interesting comparison (80/1,4, 90/2 AA and 100/2,8) by Erwin Puts. http://www.summilux.net/perso/teiki%20arii/Puts_Column_80-100_mm_Leica_R_Lenses_en.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 19, 2015 Share #23 Posted December 19, 2015 An interesting comparison (80/1,4, 90/2 AA and 100/2,8) by Erwin Puts. http://www.summilux.net/perso/teiki%20arii/Puts_Column_80-100_mm_Leica_R_Lenses_en.pdf He makes you want 'em all, doesn't he? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 19, 2015 Share #24 Posted December 19, 2015 Here are shots from the same position, without any postprocessing, by the AA90-R/2.0 and by the APO-Macro Elmarit-R/2.8. I looked for a scene with lots of detail and relatively even light. First the AA90-R (shot at f/4, ISO 200): L1000523 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr then the APO Macro-Elmarit shot at f/5.6 ISO 200): L1000528 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Frankly, you can itemize the toys on the back porches with either lens. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2015 Share #25 Posted December 19, 2015 I'd say there was fractionally, almost infinitesimally more detail in the AA90R, but if I often found myself looking that hard at photos to spot differences, I'd give up photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 19, 2015 Share #26 Posted December 19, 2015 I can't tell. Small differences in contrast due to exposure might be a bigger effect, Note the effect of reputations, or maybe scarcity -- the AA100 costs about half the AA90., and they are both world class lenses. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2015 Share #27 Posted December 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Given the price difference I'd happily declare the less expensive one the winner, whichever one it was! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted December 20, 2015 Share #28 Posted December 20, 2015 He makes you want 'em all, doesn't he? scott I had all of them and I kept the R-90AA and the 80. The 80 for portraits and the 90 for the rest. If I had to keep only one, it would be the 90. With the Apo extender 2x and the macro-adapter R in the bag, it is really excellent and versatile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 20, 2015 Share #29 Posted December 20, 2015 I had all of them and I kept the R-90AA and the 80. The 80 for portraits and the 90 for the rest. If I had to keep only one, it would be the 90. With the Apo extender 2x and the macro-adapter R in the bag, it is really excellent and versatile. That's a sensible choice. But here's what the AA100 can do with a moment's fiddling, one and one-half turns of the focusing barrel. L1000543 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ISO 200 f/16 1/10 sec -- a bathroom fixture on my laptop (see the dongle in the rear?). And a selfie. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 20, 2015 Share #30 Posted December 20, 2015 Nice selfie, Scott. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted December 20, 2015 Share #31 Posted December 20, 2015 ... a bathroom fixture on my laptop (see the dongle in the rear?). And a selfie. I was initially a bit puzzled as to why you had a bathroom fixture on your laptop when I read this post in email... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 21, 2015 Share #32 Posted December 21, 2015 Here's a nice SC-R 90 shot moderately contre-jour. L1000557 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr My 80 SX-R has made it as far as Paris. I hope to have it in hand before Xmas. Shall we continue to have this thread as the 80-100 M and R lens discussion? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 23, 2015 Share #33 Posted December 23, 2015 My looks-like-new Summilux-R 80 arrived. I was looking for long-scale settings with objects to try it on, and dropped in at the local tire shop. Some portraits are posted over at GetDPI. Here are some shots of objects and machines: L1000629 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr L1000631 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr L1000634 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr L1000638 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SX 80-R, ISO 1600, typically f/4 scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted December 24, 2015 Share #34 Posted December 24, 2015 Scott, thanks for posting these. A few questions, if you don't mind. Did you use the stacked Leica adapters or the Novoflex? Did you use the profile or generic R profile? Are they shot wide open? Just wondering how you feel about sharpness at the periphery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 24, 2015 Share #35 Posted December 24, 2015 Scott, thanks for posting these. A few questions, if you don't mind. Did you use the stacked Leica adapters or the Novoflex? Did you use the profile or generic R profile? Are they shot wide open? Just wondering how you feel about sharpness at the periphery. I really bought the 80-R to see how it handles people, skin tones and texture, and gradation into the shadows or into the distance. I am quite impressed with what it does in that regard. See http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/56504-fun-leica-sl-digital.html#post674648 for some more shots with people in them. I think I shot these in aperture mode at f/2.8 or 2.0. By clicking on the photos and going to their Flickr copies, you can see what the SL, comparing interior exposure with the blue dot's exterior measurement, thought the aperture was. Ignore that, as it is way off -- generally too big a number. I'm using the stacked adapters. The APO 90-R is intended for sharpness at the periphery. But of course I will check it out with the 80. And post. thanks, scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 24, 2015 Share #36 Posted December 24, 2015 Those are lovely images, Scott. The first one of the gent sitting in the chair resembles the sort of scene I'd take with a 35 mm focal length by adding some environment so were you a little way away from the subject (considering that it's a 80 mm lens on full frame)? I've loved this lens for many years and for me its magic (or character?) starts to happen when it's wide open whereas when it's stopped down it's very very sharp but not appreciably different from a number of other lenses. To justify carrying its weight I commonly use it wide open. I think you might fall under this lens's spell - lesser men already have. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 24, 2015 Share #37 Posted December 24, 2015 Those are lovely images, Scott. The first one of the gent sitting in the chair resembles the sort of scene I'd take with a 35 mm focal length by adding some environment so were you a little way away from the subject (considering that it's a 80 mm lens on full frame)? I've loved this lens for many years and for me its magic (or character?) starts to happen when it's wide open whereas when it's stopped down it's very very sharp but not appreciably different from a number of other lenses. To justify carrying its weight I commonly use it wide open. I think you might fall under this lens's spell - lesser men already have. Pete. I like the feeling about this place that nobody tells them to clean anything up. Stuff feels like it belongs there. Like my desk wants to be. It's not a big place. The "office" is one desk and two chairs, both of which you see. I was standing a short distance away, by the tire-removal/installation machines, poking around with permission. It was a slow moment, and everyone seemed very comfortable in their places. The son ducked out for a cigarette, the others never looked up, so i didn't move closer. This is a lens that is telling me it can do even more... scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 24, 2015 Share #38 Posted December 24, 2015 This is a lens that is telling me it can do even more... scott Please could you tell it to shut up Scott (I don't need another mid tele (75 'cron, 75 'lux (borrowed), 90 elmar, 90 elmarit M . . . . )) The results look lovely . . . . but I don't need it (he repeats to himself) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 24, 2015 Share #39 Posted December 24, 2015 Her's my developer's dreamscape (somebody made a lot of money putting all those apartments up -- they are pretty nice) with the 80-R Summilux: L1000679 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr that was shot at ISO 50 f/2.8. For comparison, here's almost the same scene (no tripod at lunch today) shot at f/1.4 L1000679 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Nicer light than a few days ago when I shot similar tests with the 90 and 100, from a spot about 50' below and 100' to the right. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 24, 2015 Share #40 Posted December 24, 2015 Please could you tell it to shut up Scott (I don't need another mid tele (75 'cron, 75 'lux (borrowed), 90 elmar, 90 elmarit M . . . . )) The results look lovely . . . . but I don't need it (he repeats to himself) In the 75 M-Lux, you've already got it, in a track suit no less. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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