bocaburger Posted November 27, 2015 Share #41 Posted November 27, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Linking the colour to the indoor and outdoor profiles is enough. You need to switch these profiles anyway. What would be other things besides frame line color that someone would put in an "indoor" or "outdoor" profile? I'd really like to know, because maybe I'm missing something here. I've just been changing aperture, shutter speed and/or ISO manually as I see fit no matter where I'm shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 27, 2015 Share #42 Posted November 27, 2015 ISO, metering method, colour temperature, frameline colour, etc. All in one button press.Even if it is only ISO, a profile is simpler than a push-hold-twist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Orme Posted November 27, 2015 Share #43 Posted November 27, 2015 I just made the transition from a Fuji X-Pro1 to a used M typ240, but when I went in to see my local Leica dealer it was really with a mind to getting the new 262. All of my Fuji gear I bought new & just thought I would be safer & happier with a new Leica. I have to admit that after talking at length about this with my dealer, he convinced me to get a used M 240 with only 3K actuations, & put the money I saved away to apply to probably a good used Leica lens. The price difference plus the discount he offered on the M 240 was just too good to pass up! As a new owner I was also concerned about firmware updates that I have heard are more frequent with the mainstream Leica's (one of the main reasons I initially also thought about getting an M9 instead of the M-E). The new one is a lovely camera though & I think it is a great choice for all those who can afford it & still be able to add a lens or two to the package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 28, 2015 Share #44 Posted November 28, 2015 ISO, metering method, colour temperature, frameline colour, etc. All in one button press.Even if it is only ISO, a profile is simpler than a push-hold-twist. I only use standard M metering (although I often meter my hand and add 1.5 stops, or a frame-filling mid-tone if I can find one), have never found auto WB to fail me on the M240, and no desire to change the frameline color (although I wish the brightness could be adjusted manually as it doesn't seem to do it well automatically). ISO is about the only thing I ever change, and compared to unloading and re-loading a different speed film, the push-hold-twist is a breeze In fact a distinct advantage of digital is the ability to adjust ISO as a 3rd parameter along with aperture and shutter speed, so having it in a profile would be as unuseful to me as setting up a profile for a single shutter speed or aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2015 Share #45 Posted November 28, 2015 Different strokes, etc. I like the profiles. I have different ones for standard, low-light,long lenses and high contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 28, 2015 Share #46 Posted November 28, 2015 Different strokes, etc. I like the profiles. I have different ones for standard, low-light,long lenses and high contrast. I have similar profiles. Just that mine are in my head not in the camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 28, 2015 Share #47 Posted November 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had an M240 loaner for a month while my M-E was in for sensor replacement. Honestly the only things I really noticed about th frame lines were that they didn't work when the camera was off and that they were accurate for 2 meters instead of 1.5. I didn t like the former, and loved the latter. Your M-E frame lines are optimized for 1m (as the M9), not 1.5m. The original M8 was .7m, while the M8.2 (or upgraded M8) and M240 share 2m lines. I prefer 2m, although one learns to adjust over time. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 28, 2015 Share #48 Posted November 28, 2015 I have similar profiles. Just that mine are in my head not in the camera Another advantage of having (at least one) profiles is that it provides a reset function, but to your preferences rather than the factory settings. To get the camera to a known state and eliminate all the tweaks you did the day before select the profile in the set menu right after reformatting the card each morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 28, 2015 Share #49 Posted November 28, 2015 Another advantage of having (at least one) profiles is that it provides a reset function, but to your preferences rather than the factory settings. To get the camera to a known state and eliminate all the tweaks you did the day before select the profile in the set menu right after reformatting the card each morning. I don't do any tweaks other than aperture, shutter speed and ISO and only the latter can be set in a profile. Basically I treat the M240 as if it were a film camera. It would make good sense to me to set a profile for the way I set the camera up on day one, i.e. with movie and live view buttons disabled, jpeg-fine, auto-review OFF, 2nd-curtain synch on, etc. in case the camera had to be reset (or reset itself). Such as with a firmware update. However unless I read it wrong, those wipe out the personal profiles too. I also read somewhere it's possible to store such a profile on an SD card...is that correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 28, 2015 Share #50 Posted November 28, 2015 Yes... although I haven't looked in a while. When I bought my M-P 240 I was given a small card by Leica Mayfair (8 or 16G, can't remember) but I bought a 64G card almost immediately, so the small card became a spare. I set up my camera the way I wanted (video and live view off etc., etc.) and then saved that profile onto the the spare small card and thats now the card I now use for software updates and means I can recover my main profile at the same time if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 28, 2015 Share #51 Posted November 28, 2015 I don't do any tweaks other than aperture, shutter speed and ISO and only the latter can be set in a profile. Basically I treat the M240 as if it were a film camera. It would make good sense to me to set a profile for the way I set the camera up on day one, i.e. with movie and live view buttons disabled, jpeg-fine, auto-review OFF, 2nd-curtain synch on, etc. in case the camera had to be reset (or reset itself). Such as with a firmware update. However unless I read it wrong, those wipe out the personal profiles too. I also read somewhere it's possible to store such a profile on an SD card...is that correct? Exactly, think of it as providing your defaults. I don't bother saving and restoring my profiles over a firmware upgrade. Chances are that there are new options and so your defaults need to be redefined anyway, just go through the menu and create a new profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 28, 2015 Share #52 Posted November 28, 2015 What I've always done (and DSLR's have a ton more custom-functions than a Leica) is write them down and keep a copy folded in my camera bag. The analog version of a custom profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 28, 2015 Share #53 Posted November 28, 2015 Its a lot faster and easier (and less prone to mistakes) to just accept it is 2015 and use todays technology to make your life a little easier... What you are doing with your profiles is a bit like writing out all your posts on a scrap of paper and then copying them on to the dialogue box on this forum... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted November 29, 2015 Share #54 Posted November 29, 2015 Nope. I require live view/EVF for my WATE Tri-Elmar as well as for landscape work on a tripod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 29, 2015 Share #55 Posted November 29, 2015 Yes... although I haven't looked in a while. When I bought my M-P 240 I was given a small card by Leica Mayfair (8 or 16G, can't remember) but I bought a 64G card almost immediately, so the small card became a spare. I set up my camera the way I wanted (video and live view off etc., etc.) and then saved that profile onto the the spare small card and thats now the card I now use for software updates and means I can recover my main profile at the same time if needed. I use an original Leica SD card for my profiles, the current firmware is on it as well, it came with the Digilux2. 256 MB. Now that is small. I never use larger cards than 16 MB and have never been able to discover an advantage in larger ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 29, 2015 Share #56 Posted November 29, 2015 Its a lot faster and easier (and less prone to mistakes) to just accept it is 2015 and use todays technology to make your life a little easier... What you are doing with your profiles is a bit like writing out all your posts on a scrap of paper and then copying them on to the dialogue box on this forum... By your assertion to "accept it is 2015 and use today's technology to make your life a little easier " I should have chosen a camera with blazingly-fast AF and usable to ISO 128,000. Which would clearly rule out any Leica M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 29, 2015 Share #57 Posted November 29, 2015 I use an original Leica SD card for my profiles, the current firmware is on it as well, it came with the Digilux2. 256 MB. Now that is small. I never use larger cards than 16 MB and have never been able to discover an advantage in larger ones. Haha I have a 64MB Leica card that came with a DLux3 which I use to keep a spare copy of firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 29, 2015 Share #58 Posted November 29, 2015 By your assertion to "accept it is 2015 and use today's technology to make your life a little easier " I should have chosen a camera with blazingly-fast AF and usable to ISO 128,000. Which would clearly rule out any Leica M Well no, mr boca, that would seriously alter you doing what you enjoy doing. Having a profile with your day 1 setup which you selected each morning doesn't interfere with how you use the camera. It's simply a more functional approach to the piece of paper turning to mulch in the bottom of your bag with your preferences written on it. It may also loosen up your view of the menu options. Try red frame lines, try different metering, try short or long or no preview, ... And simply go back to the comfy user 1 profile when you've realised, yet again, it's not for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 29, 2015 Share #59 Posted November 29, 2015 Good post Exodies... again... I feel we are both wasting our time though... prejudices are almost impossibly hard to overcome... and the more rational the argument, the less rational the justification of those prejudices... I have no problem with someone pointing out something I hadn't considered, or presenting information I wasn't aware of, to then discover I could change my view or opinion on something. Thats called learning... Some people just don't want to do that though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 30, 2015 Share #60 Posted November 30, 2015 Try red frame lines, try different metering, try short or long or no preview, ... And simply go back to the comfy user 1 profile when you've realised, yet again, it's not for you. Tried the red lines, detested them. Classic Leica metering has worked exquisitely for me from the M6 through M9 and continues to do so...because I know how to use it. That is called "learning" And plus advanced metering puts double the wear and tear on the shutter and increases the lag which is antithetical to "Leica photography" And I tried and abandoned using any review (aka chimping) way back in my early days of shooting digital. Other than to instantly restore a few settings in case the camera self-resets to factory default, I have absolutely no need of a user profile. But as I said, for that reason alone I may consider it. And the scrap of paper with my custom-function choices for my 5D has not yet disintegrated after more than a decade in my bag, and I suspect the one for my M240 will outlast the camera itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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