jaapv Posted December 16, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is just a matter of creating a new camera profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertospa Posted December 18, 2015 Share #22 Posted December 18, 2015 It is just a matter of creating a new camera profile. In this post it is that the new sensor needs the firmware 1.204 to provide color balanced. The old sensor with firmware 1.204 provides color unbalanced. According to you, why the customer care has installed on my camera, with the old sensor, firmware 1.204? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted December 18, 2015 Share #23 Posted December 18, 2015 In this post it is that the new sensor needs the firmware 1.204 to provide color balanced. The old sensor with firmware 1.204 provides color unbalanced. According to you, why the customer care has installed on my camera, with the old sensor, firmware 1.204? I would suggest that you make that inquiry of Leica. It was likely either installed in error, or they actually did replace your sensor. It would be interesting to see how they address the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 18, 2015 Share #24 Posted December 18, 2015 In this post it is that the new sensor needs the firmware 1.204 to provide color balanced. The old sensor with firmware 1.204 provides color unbalanced. According to you, why the customer care has installed on my camera, with the old sensor, firmware 1.204? How do you know it's the old sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertospa Posted December 19, 2015 Share #25 Posted December 19, 2015 I would suggest that you make that inquiry of Leica. It was likely either installed in error, or they actually did replace your sensor. It would be interesting to see how they address the question. How do you know it's the old sensor? I wrote an email to Leica customer care wondering why they had installed on my old sensor firmware 1.204. They have written to me that "the firmware 1.204 can be installed also with the old sensor". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted December 20, 2015 Share #26 Posted December 20, 2015 I wrote an email to Leica customer care wondering why they had installed on my old sensor firmware 1.204. They have written to me that "the firmware 1.204 can be installed also with the old sensor". How interesting. The firmware update page still only shows 1.202 as the latest version for the M-E and M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertospa Posted December 21, 2015 Share #27 Posted December 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not think it is interesting, however I think it is strange because it is contrary to everything written in this post and on the web. Maybe someone is cheating! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted December 21, 2015 Share #28 Posted December 21, 2015 It's likely that the new firmware can be used on the old sensor but the old firmware can not be used on the old sensor. The contradiction is that down people have been told that the new firmware is not for the old sensor and have drawn the obvious conclusion. It's a storm in a tea cup IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 21, 2015 Share #29 Posted December 21, 2015 It's likely that the new firmware can be used on the old sensor but the old firmware can not be used on the old sensor. The contradiction is that down people have been told that the new firmware is not for the old sensor and have drawn the obvious conclusion. It's a storm in a tea cup IMHO Read your post aloud three times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted December 21, 2015 Share #30 Posted December 21, 2015 It's likely that there is no reason to update old sensors because the 1.204 doesn't offer anything more than what 1.202 offers for them. I would think it strange that 1.204 wouldn't be backwards compatible though. That would make sense as 1.204 only seems to come out of the factory with serviced cameras and isn't available in the wild. I don't think this even rises to the level of a storm in a tea cup, honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted December 21, 2015 Share #31 Posted December 21, 2015 Read your post aloud three times. It's likely that the new firmware can be used on the old sensor but the old firmware can not be used on the new sensor. The confusion is that some people have been told that the new firmware is not for the old sensor, and have drawn the obvious conclusion. It's a storm in a tea cup IMHO type slower ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2015 Share #32 Posted December 21, 2015 In this post it is that the new sensor needs the firmware 1.204 to provide color balanced. The old sensor with firmware 1.204 provides color unbalanced. According to you, why the customer care has installed on my camera, with the old sensor, firmware 1.204? There is no such thing as a sensor producing a colour unbalanced or balanced. The light is filtered through the filter array, giving a certain emphasis between the various colours. Don't forget that a sensor as such is a monochrome device. The rest is software, and in the end the final colour output of the camera is created by the post-processing software colour profile. The user can determine the profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertospa Posted December 21, 2015 Share #33 Posted December 21, 2015 There is no such thing as a sensor producing a colour unbalanced or balanced. The light is filtered through the filter array, giving a certain emphasis between the various colours. Don't forget that a sensor as such is a monochrome device. The rest is software, and in the end the final colour output of the camera is created by the post-processing software colour profile. The user can determine the profile. I have not written a sensor that produces a color unbalanced, maybe you misread. The result obviously depends on the sensor and processing software (firmware) installed in the camera. All of you have written that Leica has developed a new firmware to process the image of the new sensor so that the color balance remains the same as the original sensor. Well, so it is obvious that if Leica installs new firmware on the old sensor, there will be a different color balance: this is an ERROR! The user with the post production can correct the error. The user has paid dearly for the Leica lab that installed the 1,204 instead of 1,202. If the facts are different I am ready to acknowledge it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2015 Share #34 Posted December 21, 2015 albertospa, on 21 Dec 2015 - 17:15, said:albertospa, on 21 Dec 2015 - 17:15, said:albertospa, on 21 Dec 2015 - 17:15, said: I have not written a sensor that produces a color unbalanced, maybe you misread. The result obviously depends on the sensor and processing software (firmware) installed in the camera. All of you have written that Leica has developed a new firmware to process the image of the new sensor so that the color balance remains the same as the original sensor. Well, so it is obvious that if Leica installs new firmware on the old sensor, there will be a different color balance: this is an ERROR! The user with the post production can correct the error. The user has paid dearly for the Leica lab that installed the 1,204 instead of 1,202. If the facts are different I am ready to acknowledge it. I have yet to find a camera that I do not need to profile in my raw developer. They are all biased. Whether a camera produces balance A or balance B is wholly immaterial to me. Quite apart from the fact that (apart from product shots, scientific work etc) the colour in a photograph is an artistic decision, not an objective one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 21, 2015 Share #35 Posted December 21, 2015 (...) Well, so it is obvious that if Leica installs new firmware on the old sensor, there will be a different color balance: this is an ERROR! (...) This does not follow. While the old firmware is bound to produce poorly corrected colours with a new sensor, the reverse is not true. In fact, it would be straight forward to have the new software determine whether it was in a body with an old or a new sensor and to apply the corrections accordingly. Actually, that would be the sensible thing to do. Otherwise, Leica would have to maintain two distinct sets of firmware for very minor updates such as the addition of new lens codes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertospa Posted December 21, 2015 Share #36 Posted December 21, 2015 I have yet to find a camera that I do not need to profile in my raw developer. They are all biased. Whether a camera produces balance A or balance B is wholly immaterial to me. Quite apart from the fact that (apart from product shots, scientific work etc) the colour in a photograph is an artistic decision, not an objective one. This is not a justification. So why Leica has developed a new firmware for the new sensor? Why on the network is not present firmware 1.204? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertospa Posted December 21, 2015 Share #37 Posted December 21, 2015 This does not follow. While the old firmware is bound to produce poorly corrected colours with a new sensor, the reverse is not true. In fact, it would be straight forward to have the new software determine whether it was in a body with an old or a new sensor and to apply the corrections accordingly. Actually, that would be the sensible thing to do. Otherwise, Leica would have to maintain two distinct sets of firmware for very minor updates such as the addition of new lens codes. This may be a correct explanation. So why on the network is not present firmware 1.204? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 21, 2015 Share #38 Posted December 21, 2015 It's likely that the new firmware can be used on the old sensor but the old firmware can not be used on the new sensor. The confusion is that some people have been told that the new firmware is not for the old sensor, and have drawn the obvious conclusion. It's a storm in a tea cup IMHO type slower ...... Typing s l o w e r has it's b e n e f I t s . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2015 Share #39 Posted December 21, 2015 This does not follow. While the old firmware is bound to produce poorly corrected colours with a new sensor, the reverse is not true. In fact, it would be straight forward to have the new software determine whether it was in a body with an old or a new sensor and to apply the corrections accordingly. Actually, that would be the sensible thing to do. Otherwise, Leica would have to maintain two distinct sets of firmware for very minor updates such as the addition of new lens codes. Actually this is what happened on the M8.2 when Leica changed motherboard suppliers. The old firmware would not work with the new board, but the new firmware accepted either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2015 Share #40 Posted December 21, 2015 This may be a correct explanation. So why on the network is not present firmware 1.204? Because there is no need; Presently Leica will update cameras that come in, but as there is no benefit for older sensored cameras it does not have to be distributed universally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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