adli Posted November 8, 2015 Share #1  Posted November 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the last edition of the Noctilux 1.0. I am aware that this lens is known for being soft wide open, but my lens is much softer that I expected. Getting focus confirmation with focus peeking is impossible without stepping down several steps.  Attached crop of test shots at 1 meter wide open, is the lens supposed to be this soft? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2923664'>More sharing options...
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adli Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share #2  Posted November 8, 2015 Here is a sample with the lens stoppet down to 5.6. Much sharper, but you can also see the famous focus shift.  I have also done the test at 1.5 and 2 meters. Same softness wide open at those distances. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2923667'>More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted November 8, 2015 Share #3  Posted November 8, 2015 Here's a cropped sample of mine taken wide open at 1m. It's a little soft up close but it should noticeably improve at mid distance. If you're not seeing improvements at further distances its probably a good idea to get the lens checked.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2923710'>More sharing options...
adli Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share #4  Posted November 8, 2015 Looks as if you have more details than mine wide open. Which version do you have, the one with integrated hood or the older one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted November 8, 2015 Share #5 Â Posted November 8, 2015 Mine is the v4 with the sliding hood, sorry I think that second shot might be at 1.4 but the first one is definitely wide open Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted November 8, 2015 Share #6  Posted November 8, 2015 I have the last edition of the Noctilux 1.0. I am aware that this lens is known for being soft wide open, but my lens is much softer that I expected. Getting focus confirmation with focus peeking is impossible without stepping down several steps.  Attached crop of test shots at 1 meter wide open, is the lens supposed to be this soft?  Adli, which body are you using?  Are you sure of the calibration of your RF camera body? I have a Nocti 1.0 e58 and it is  performing fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share #7  Posted November 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Adli, which body are you using?  Are you sure of the calibration of your RF camera body? I have a Nocti 1.0 e58 and it is  performing fine.  I am using a M240. With my 75 cron ASPH it is biting sharp, so the body seems to be fine. Attached is a sample taken with the 75 cron, if I close in, I can count the specks on the surface on the Spyder.  My Nocti shows the same softness on the SL, so I suspect the problem is the lens, not the body. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2923973'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 8, 2015 Share #8 Â Posted November 8, 2015 I have a 75mm Summilux which was, when I first looked at it, way off focus wide open, and I do mean way off. I bought it on the basis that the price would include a visit to Leica and 6-bit coding. I now have the lens and it is spot on with regard to focus wide open and surprisingly well performing wide open. Whatever Leica have done they have done it very well. Stopped down I'm struggling to tell it apart from the 75mm Summicron! My point? A good service from Leica should bring it up to spec, and it does look well out wide open even from your web posted pix (but not as far out as the 75 Summilux was if that's any help). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted November 9, 2015 Share #9 Â Posted November 9, 2015 After reading the initial post, decided to check my Noctilux 1.0 to see if similar as I often get too soft wide open on the M, but mostly due to being hand held it turns out. Â I tested it on a tripod and was fine and sharp where it should be wide open. Â In contrast, on the T I seem to do much better focusing with this lens. Â Can't explain why. Â Could be because harder to push shutter button on the M which is causing camera shake in my case. Â Anyway, my point is if the original shots were not with a tripod, might want to double check before sending it in for repair. Â Just a suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share #10  Posted November 9, 2015 All tests done on tripod with cable release.  .... Anyway, my point is if the original shots were not with a tripod, might want to double check before sending it in for repair.  Just a suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted November 9, 2015 Share #11 Â Posted November 9, 2015 I have a LensCal. I don't think the Noctilux is an easy lens to test on it. Even my 0.95 glows on the LensCal. High contrast black to white scenes is where it's famous "glow" is most pronounced. You're accentuating the biggest flaw/best thing about the f1 with that test. Â Try a test on a lower contrast subject like a brick wall in shade at 45 degrees. I think you notice less glow there. Â Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted November 10, 2015 Share #12  Posted November 10, 2015 the lens is soft wide open- on my camera it barely registers focus peaking wide open at f1. In fact you only get 'peaks' if you zoom into the image. At zero magnification no 'peaking'. However your sample images do look particularly soft. here are a few shots from mine wide open (with one crop)- and the last one stopped down to f8 (with crop):  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2925010'>More sharing options...
adli Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share #13 Â Posted November 10, 2015 Well, I don't get focus peak at 1:10 magnification, so I guess mine is a bit softer than yours. Solms next I expect. Â the lens is soft wide open- on my camera it barely registers focus peaking wide open at f1. In fact you only get 'peaks' if you zoom into the image. At zero magnification no 'peaking'. However your sample images do look particularly soft. here are a few shots from mine wide open (with one crop)- and the last one stopped down to f8 (with crop): Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted November 10, 2015 Share #14  Posted November 10, 2015 Very interesting thread! I also own a 1.0 E60 Nocti version 3, and it is indeed soft. I intend to get a SL soon, and wanted to use the Nocti with it. However, it might be very well possible that the 1.0 is too soft to allow a very effective focus peaking on the SL. Might it be worth sending it to Wetzar for optimizing it? Not sure if this will bring anything..... In 3 days time, I  will have the SL to try it with the Nocti.   John Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2925154'>More sharing options...
adli Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share #15 Â Posted November 10, 2015 I tried mine with the SL, and was not able to get focus peking at 1.0. This was a disapointment, because the Nocti was one of the reasons I considered the SL. HopefullyLeica can optimise it, if not I consider selling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted November 10, 2015 Share #16  Posted November 10, 2015 Its a good idea to have your nocti calibrated with the camera and you won't have too much problems nailing focus with it. I found a better sample to compare it to, you can see that it glows but there's still detail at the point of focus. Reflections of highlights will accentuate the glow so that might be the effect you're seeing with the lenscal. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252756-softness-of-noctilux-10/?do=findComment&comment=2925201'>More sharing options...
satijntje Posted November 10, 2015 Share #17 Â Posted November 10, 2015 I tried mine with the SL, and was not able to get focus peking at 1.0. This was a disapointment, because the Nocti was one of the reasons I considered the SL. HopefullyLeica can optimise it, if not I consider selling it. we are in exactly the same boat Arne! We might have to swap to a 0.95 or a 50lux! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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