Yoki Posted November 4, 2015 Share #1 Posted November 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, I noticed that I am not able to produce consistently good result shoting landscape with the X113; I wasn't able to produce sharp image, to be precise. My camera setting for landscape is normally as follows: ISO = 100, WB = AUTO, Speed = AUTO, Aperture = f/8. My long time Leica's user friend told me that Leica is not so good for landscape, it is designed for shoting people and close-up object. Is that true? Appreciate your comment and suggestion on this matter. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lmitch6 Posted November 4, 2015 Share #2 Posted November 4, 2015 Rubbish. Leica's are fine cameras for landscape, and what I primarily shoot with my M. You should be fine with the APC-C sensor of the X. You do have to be mindful of your shutter speed if you're shooting landscapes handheld, especially in lower light where camera shake can really affect your overall image quality. I'd do some test shooting with the camera on a tripod if you haven't yet as well. Hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted November 4, 2015 Share #3 Posted November 4, 2015 I'll second the "rubbish" remark. Perhaps post a picture or two to show what you are getting? Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted November 4, 2015 Rubbish. Leica's are fine cameras for landscape, and what I primarily shoot with my M. You should be fine with the APC-C sensor of the X. You do have to be mindful of your shutter speed if you're shooting landscapes handheld, especially in lower light where camera shake can really affect your overall image quality. I'd do some test shooting with the camera on a tripod if you haven't yet as well. Hope this helps! Thanks, Imitch6.. I will try again, and this time I won't set the shutter-speed in auto-mode. You're right, I shot handheld, should try it on tripod next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted November 4, 2015 I'll second the "rubbish" remark. Perhaps post a picture or two to show what you are getting? Gary Thanks, Gary.. here are some samples that I think should be better: L1007103 by Yoki, on Flickr (ISO 100, f/6.3, 1/320s, handheld) L1007025 by Yoki, on Flickr (ISO 100, f/8, 1/400s, handheld) L1007947 by Yoki, on Flickr (ISO 100, f/5.6, 1/100s, handheld) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwF Posted November 4, 2015 Share #6 Posted November 4, 2015 The Leica certainly earned it's reputation as a street and photojournalism/human interest camera but without a doubt is able produce nice landscapes. If i may, the rock formation in your first image could use some toning down with "curves" to bring out more detail that from what I see should be there in your file. The last one (cityscape) looks good and sharp. Thre's always something to chip away at in making images. Enjoy your camera! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted November 4, 2015 Share #7 Posted November 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'll take a guess. The first two are from a boat I assume, so handheld or tripod you are still moving. I'd be hesitant to blame the camera at this stage. Tongue in cheek here. The third looks like what I see from my "office", so again not tied to the ground (my office is not your usual). Irrespective, the third looks good to me, and the Flickr post doesn't help, I tried to zoom in to no avail. Why do you feel the thrid one is no good? All three are decent pictures, the third technically to me looks the best. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted November 4, 2015 The Leica certainly earned it's reputation as a street and photojournalism/human interest camera but without a doubt is able produce nice landscapes. If i may, the rock formation in your first image could use some toning down with "curves" to bring out more detail that from what I see should be there in your file. The last one (cityscape) looks good and sharp. Thre's always something to chip away at in making images. Enjoy your camera! David Thanks, David. I do enjoy the camera so much, as I am quite familiar with the 35mm (equivalent) focal-length. What I see is the first picture has lost some sharpness and out of focus a bit (though I am sure that I locked the focus, I considered it as my fault). I will try to do some curves adjustment to see what happen. As for the city-scape image, I think it lost some details, especially in the centre (lighter/whiter building). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted November 4, 2015 I'll take a guess. The first two are from a boat I assume, so handheld or tripod you are still moving. I'd be hesitant to blame the camera at this stage. Tongue in cheek here. The third looks like what I see from my "office", so again not tied to the ground (my office is not your usual). Irrespective, the third looks good to me, and the Flickr post doesn't help, I tried to zoom in to no avail. Why do you feel the thrid one is no good? All three are decent pictures, the third technically to me looks the best. Gary Hi Gary, yes - I think it lost some details, especially on the lighter/whiter building on the centre. I also think that my way of resizing the file (to approx 900x600, 240dpi) may has caused it. I still not sure how to correctly resize the file for web. Any suggestion that you can share with me? You're right, I was on the boat while taking the shot. This could be the main reason! I should have choose faster speed instead of letting the camera decided the speed for me (auto speed mode). Thank you so much for pointing this out, Gary! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted November 4, 2015 Share #10 Posted November 4, 2015 No worries. Keep shooting, keep asking, you won't be the only one learning. Off the boat, I'd be shooting shutter priority or manual, opting for something like 1/500th even. Wide open or close in this instance probably would have been better. And possibly manual focus too. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 4, 2015 Share #11 Posted November 4, 2015 Camera movement can often be mistaken for missed focus. There's no reason for choosing f/8 for landscapes unless you really need extra DOF. Leica lenses perform brilliantly even wide open. Brian Bower in Light, Lens, and Landscape recommends shooting wide and going for the fastest shutter speed you can. I agree. Problems are often only apparent when viewed at large size and not easy to detect at a small size at screen resolution. There may be some motion blur in the first image, as Gary says, not surprising from a boat. Second pic of Riomaggiore (?) looks good and I can't see anything wrong with the third except very slight keystoning (converging verticals), always an issue with architecture. Lighting makes big difference but when you're traveling you can't alas go back at different time. Just go for it and enjoy being there! I think the X series cameras already produce excellent out-of-camera JPEGs. You can tweak them in Lightroom if you wish. For resizing, if you have a Mac, I would recommend Graphic Converter (available from www.lemkesoft.com). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted November 5, 2015 Share #12 Posted November 5, 2015 No worries. Keep shooting, keep asking, you won't be the only one learning. Off the boat, I'd be shooting shutter priority or manual, opting for something like 1/500th even. Wide open or close in this instance probably would have been better. And possibly manual focus too. Gary I can count on one hand the number of times I've taken my X113 off of Aperture-Priority mode and I always shoot it handheld. 1/15th of a second is doable with good breath control and using the viewfinder (3rd contact point), 1/8th with the camera braced against a wall or railing. 1/30th is generally the slowest of my "no worries" speeds. Also to the OP, why f/8? The X has a 23mm lens due its crop sensor, and by f/8 you are likely starting to run into diffraction, though not much. Even at f/4 or f/5.6 at landscape distances everything will be in sharp focus, with the benefit of a faster shutter speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 5, 2015 Share #13 Posted November 5, 2015 Was it a motorized boat and was the engine running? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted November 5, 2015 No worries. Keep shooting, keep asking, you won't be the only one learning. Off the boat, I'd be shooting shutter priority or manual, opting for something like 1/500th even. Wide open or close in this instance probably would have been better. And possibly manual focus too. Gary Thanks, Gary. Appreciate your suggestion so much. Obviously, I need more time to spend with the X and learning more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted November 5, 2015 Camera movement can often be mistaken for missed focus. There's no reason for choosing f/8 for landscapes unless you really need extra DOF. Leica lenses perform brilliantly even wide open. Brian Bower in Light, Lens, and Landscape recommends shooting wide and going for the fastest shutter speed you can. I agree. Problems are often only apparent when viewed at large size and not easy to detect at a small size at screen resolution. There may be some motion blur in the first image, as Gary says, not surprising from a boat. Second pic of Riomaggiore (?) looks good and I can't see anything wrong with the third except very slight keystoning (converging verticals), always an issue with architecture. Lighting makes big difference but when you're traveling you can't alas go back at different time. Just go for it and enjoy being there! I think the X series cameras already produce excellent out-of-camera JPEGs. You can tweak them in Lightroom if you wish. For resizing, if you have a Mac, I would recommend Graphic Converter (available from www.lemkesoft.com). Yes, it was in Riomaggiore, David. Thank you for the lemkesoft link. I am a Mac user too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted November 5, 2015 I can count on one hand the number of times I've taken my X113 off of Aperture-Priority mode and I always shoot it handheld. 1/15th of a second is doable with good breath control and using the viewfinder (3rd contact point), 1/8th with the camera braced against a wall or railing. 1/30th is generally the slowest of my "no worries" speeds. Also to the OP, why f/8? The X has a 23mm lens due its crop sensor, and by f/8 you are likely starting to run into diffraction, though not much. Even at f/4 or f/5.6 at landscape distances everything will be in sharp focus, with the benefit of a faster shutter speed. Thank you, sir.. I was using f/8 in order to make sure that I have enough DOF, because I used to use f/5.6-f/11 for landscape using other camera system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted November 5, 2015 Was it a motorized boat and was the engine running? Yes, and the engine was running. Does it has effect too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 5, 2015 Share #18 Posted November 5, 2015 Yes, and the engine was running. Does it has effect too? Usually you can feel the vibration of a running engine in a boat or bus. It depends on many factors, but it's perfectly possible for the vibrations to reach the camera. That would have the same effect as rapidly shaking the camera and could induce motion blur even at short exposure times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2015 Share #19 Posted November 5, 2015 Thank you, sir.. I was using f/8 in order to make sure that I have enough DOF, because I used to use f/5.6-f/11 for landscape using other camera system.If you use the lens wide open or at 4.0 for better corner quality, at a distance of 400 m the DOF is something like 300 m. For this type of shot there is no need to stop down for DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoki Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted November 6, 2015 If you use the lens wide open or at 4.0 for better corner quality, at a distance of 400 m the DOF is something like 300 m. For this type of shot there is no need to stop down for DOF. Thank you, Jaap.. though I would appreciate more explanation on this, as I am not sure if I understand that correctly, especially on "..400m the DOF is something like 300m." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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