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hey,

 

i got my Q today and am wondering about the wideness of the lens. compared to my 28 elmarit on my M the lens on the Q seems to be more like a 24mm lens?!?!

anybody noticed this before?

and sorry if this has been discussed before, if at all...

 

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I am most likely totally off base here but. I'm new to Lightroom and imported DNG and JPG to see the difference between JPG and DNG. I noticed that the field of view for the JPG's and DNG's are slightly different, especially in micros. The JPGs look more like what I composed. Could the EVF and screen be showing 28 mm, and recording the JPGs, but the DNG recording the true lens size?

Unfortunately I deleted the JPGs but it would be easily reproduced.

So again I am making a WAG on this but is this possible?

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I am most likely totally off base here but. I'm new to Lightroom and imported DNG and JPG to see the difference between JPG and DNG. I noticed that the field of view for the JPG's and DNG's are slightly different, especially in micros. The JPGs look more like what I composed. Could the EVF and screen be showing 28 mm, and recording the JPGs, but the DNG recording the true lens size?

Unfortunately I deleted the JPGs but it would be easily reproduced.

So again I am making a WAG on this but is this possible?

You may be correct. One of my early images was if a bird on a light pole. In the EVF it looked as I composed it. The ooc jpg looked as I composed it--I processed the raw in a program which had not been updated(-I received my Q in early July). There was vignetteing and a much wider FOV. so it is obvious that the software does some magic to get that 28mm FOV.

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If you open the DNG in Raw Therapee, a donation-only program, you will see the image as recorded in raw. RT has no idea of corrections to apply to Leica Q images, barring a .dcp file. When the camera firmware builds the JPG, it applies significant distortion and vignette corrections, and presumably the version of LR from Leica (I do not have it nor a Q) knows how to make the corrections, too. In the process of correcting distortion, the field of view presumably narrows down to 28mm from a wider actual FOV of the lens.
 

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If you open the DNG in Raw Therapee, a donation-only program, you will see the image as recorded in raw. RT has no idea of corrections to apply to Leica Q images, barring a .dcp file. When the camera firmware builds the JPG, it applies significant distortion and vignette corrections, and presumably the version of LR from Leica (I do not have it nor a Q) knows how to make the corrections, too. In the process of correcting distortion, the field of view presumably narrows down to 28mm from a wider actual FOV of the lens.

 

 

Based on the samples seen on the internets (mainly a fredmiranda forum topic) one of the biggest changes between RAW and the end result is actually cropping.

The lens image doesn't cover the sensor 100%, which is also indicated in the specs where you can see the difference between "effective resolution" and actual sensor size.

A part of that sensor capture is simply thrown out, not "distorted" into looking fine, although of course this isn't the only thing that happens to capture data.

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Don't forget that focal length is calculated at infinity. The closer one focuses, the longer a lens gets.

Historically speaking, only few lenses have ever been exactly the nominal focal length. Even lenses within the same series vary individually.

 

Of course the digital corrections, which result in cropping, will need a shorter lens to arrive at the correct framing in the end result

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The accompanying screenshot compares the DNG in Raw Therapee on the left and the camera JPG as viewed in Fast Stone on the right. RT had no camera profile for the Leica Q, and no distortion or perspective corrections are applied to it. You can see the difference in vertical lines away from the center. You can see how the JPG is a crop of the raw image, which conveniently takes away some of the vignetted corner areas, too.

RT says it has 6008 by 4008 pixels. The camera JPG is 6000 by 4000. I don't know whether the camera firmware upsizes after it applies corrections.

The photo was taken just outside the door of the Leica store on Bush Street in San Francisco.
 

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