EdwardM Posted October 22, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) No doubts that SL is great piece of Leica developers and engineers. No doubts that image quality and compability with other lens would be well demanded by Leica community. No doubts that waiting list for that camera will be huge for the first 3-6 months after introduction. I am sure that build quality of the camera would be great, no doubts here as well. But for me, introduction of the SL became the unexpected and paradox occasion to take my M9 and M240 from the camera bags and tell them both - I love you my little friends! Sometimes we need something new to come to appreciate what we already have. The only sad feeling I have is that Leica spent so many time, effort, ideas and money for creating the product ( I mean SL ) which unexpectedly and surprisingly convinced me that I am more than happy man, having my M9 and M240. Thank you Leica for that remainder about M... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adam Posted October 22, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2015 No doubts that SL is great piece of Leica developers and engineers. No doubts that image quality and compability with other lens would be well demanded by Leica community. No doubts that waiting list for that camera will be huge for the first 3-6 months after introduction. I am sure that build quality of the camera would be great, no doubts here as well. But for me, introduction of the SL became the unexpected and paradox occasion to take my M9 and M240 from the camera bags and tell them both - I love you my little friends! Sometimes we need something new to come to appreciate what we already have. The only sad feeling I have is that Leica spent so many time, effort, ideas and money for creating the product ( I mean SL ) which unexpectedly and surprisingly convinced me that I am more than happy man, having my M9 and M240. Thank you Leica for that remainder about M... I agree. I purchased mine relatively recently. I had my doubts since there were rumors that something new will be announced. Then came the Q and now the SL. I am sure both are stellar cameras. However, both the Q and SL made me realize that the rangefinder concept is hard to beat with new technology. I too have grown to appreciate even more the wonderful compact system that is the current M. It is a good feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted October 22, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 22, 2015 I too purchased recently, just over a week ago in fact, and had reservations about the purchase with rumours of a new camera, possibly superseding the M240. The SL poses no such threat, but I would not be at all shocked to see the 'next' M making its debut next year. I expect small incremental steps, and continuity of the RF format, so no worries. No worries at all, I'm happy with the M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2015 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2015 Well, having gone through the pain and expense of M8, M8.2, M9 and M240 I'm delighted there's no temptation to change for the moment. There are some areas where I'd be possibly interested in the SL (mainly to compensate for the less than brilliant EVF experience with the 240), but for the moment I'm not rushing away from the M format. Indeed, when I think about it, if it was going to take 20 years for the next M to come along (think about the gap between M6 and M6TTL) it wouldn't be a disaster for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 22, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2015 I think there's a certain coming of age of the EVF now with the SL (not that I've seen it) and maybe the technology is mature enough to warrant building it into the camera instead of making it a separate add-on with the promise (never, ever fulfilled) of updates as technology develops. It's just as well that the viewfinder/rangefinder of the M240 improved as much as they did because the experience using the EVF is poor. Mind you, it's streets ahead of the Digilux 2 which I keep as a reminder of how awful EVFs once were. So, I can certainly dream of an M-mount camera with M240 rangefinder plus, Q form-factor (maybe a bit wider to accommodate the rangefinder), SL whisper quiet shutter and built-in EVF. Compared to their initial stuttering attempts to make digital camera, Leica does seem to be getting better at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted October 22, 2015 Share #6 Posted October 22, 2015 I just want an increase in resolving power on the sensor to say 36-50MP and a better live view and EVF. All other aspects can stay the same as the Leica M and M-P. I can wait another year or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted October 22, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Like many, I was expecting something different than the SL. Knee jerk reaction was disappointment. But after mulling over it a couple of days, I might even be a buyer eventually. If I need autofocus and/or longer lenses. I totally dislike my existing DSLR due to it's confusing user interface, the Canon 5dm3, but is necessary to use for some applications over my M. But, yes, this week has made me really appreciate my M. So much so, decided to put in an order for an M246! The M will always be my camera. And.....love the T. I rather fully expect another camera to come out, closer to the T in design that can take advantage of the full frame lenses made for that mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 22, 2015 Share #8 Posted October 22, 2015 I just want an increase in resolving power on the sensor to say 36-50MP and a better live view and EVF. All other aspects can stay the same as the Leica M and M-P. I can wait another year or two. All larger sensors for any new Leica cameras are frankly dependent upon Leica increasing sensor MP of the flagship S model and since they are just shipping the new S-007 model I do not see a change coming from the current 24MP in other than S models any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger's cat Posted October 22, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 22, 2015 All larger sensors for any new Leica cameras are frankly dependent upon Leica increasing sensor MP of the flagship S model and since they are just shipping the new S-007 model I do not see a change coming from the current 24MP in other than S models any time soon. This strikes me as a likely scenario also. I think that in order for me to be tempted to upgrade I would need to see a resolution increase or a shrinking of body size. The SL is certainly a great looking camera, but for my personal preferences it isn't quite there yet. Which is fortunate, since the time is just not right to explain to Debbie why I need a new Leica body Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
riswanc Posted October 23, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 23, 2015 I agree. I purchased mine relatively recently. I had my doubts since there were rumors that something new will be announced. Then came the Q and now the SL. I am sure both are stellar cameras. However, both the Q and SL made me realize that the rangefinder concept is hard to beat with new technology. I too have grown to appreciate even more the wonderful compact system that is the current M. It is a good feeling. Cant agree more with you Im a new rangefinder user and already found myself cant live without it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenTanaka Posted October 23, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 23, 2015 I salute Leica for making a bold step forward with the SL. But it does not meet a need (or a desire) I currently have. So no I have no plans to buy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 23, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 23, 2015 Indeed, the new SL with its size and weight really justifies why the M format holds so well after 6 decades. If they manage to upgrade the RF mechanical links with electronic accuracy, then maybe they could lift the barriers of tele lens. Then the M is going to be a real portable professional tool. The RF mechanism is all but dead. 2 kilos with lens, really? how can one hold this, its like lifting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 24, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 24, 2015 No doubts that SL is great piece of Leica developers and engineers. No doubts that image quality and compability with other lens would be well demanded by Leica community. No doubts that waiting list for that camera will be huge for the first 3-6 months after introduction. I am sure that build quality of the camera would be great, no doubts here as well. But for me, introduction of the SL became the unexpected and paradox occasion to take my M9 and M240 from the camera bags and tell them both - I love you my little friends! Sometimes we need something new to come to appreciate what we already have. The only sad feeling I have is that Leica spent so many time, effort, ideas and money for creating the product ( I mean SL ) which unexpectedly and surprisingly convinced me that I am more than happy man, having my M9 and M240. Thank you Leica for that remainder about M... I have to agree. I have the M-P Safari kit and it does everything I need it to. Higher ISO capability with high IQ and low noise would be nice, but the M-P's maximum ISO of 6400 is not really a burden. The M-P has the features a digital M rangefinder should have: Mechanical rangefinder, optical viewfinder, CMOS sensor, brass top plate, frame preview selector lever and sapphire glass LCD screen. Leica has done well in the size and weight department, keeping the M240/M-P dimensions [almost] within the traditional size envelope of the film M cameras. Leica has set the bar awfully high with the M-P. Other than a significant jump in ISO capability, improvements will be incremental refinements of the M-P in my view. I think there is a place at the table for the SL, but it is not a replacement for the M-P in my humble opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 24, 2015 Share #14 Posted October 24, 2015 I think there is a place at the table for the SL, but it is not a replacement for the M-P in my humble opinion. Quite. I don't think for a moment that is what Leica has in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted October 24, 2015 My biggest concern when I see the introduction of new pure Leica system camera like SL is the ability of Leica to keep the focus on quality and futher development of existing system cameras and lenses. When Leica introduces the compact like D-Lux (which is great camera and I like it as "to go" camera ) I am ok with that as they do it in collaboration with Panasonic and they don't need the futher development of this product. It's just one off product which doesn't cannibalize the time and recourses of Leica engineers for development glasses for that camera. When Leuca introduces SL I understand that they need to developers SL lens line and match the quality of these lenses with M lenses and S lenses. The same concern I had when they introduced T and T lenses. Lica is not transcontinental giant like Canon and Sony and just can't have the ability and finance resources to finance the simultaneous development of four different system camera like M, S, SL and T. Plus we have the Q as the standalone product with require the futher development. My concerns is that Leica just spreading the effort and resources of its great engineers for too many different products and finely it will come to the quality decrease of existing lines of glasses and cameras. We do know too many things they need to fix on M cameras, Q cameras. Instead of that Leica is spending the resources for implementation of SL... I udnerstand that at the end of the day it's only business, but my feeling is that this long distance run in competition with Sony, canon or Nikon will end up for Leica very sadly. Its the same if patek Philippe will start to compete with Rolex for market of sport watches... thats my humble opinion. Have a nice weekend all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted October 24, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 24, 2015 2 kilos with lens, really? how can one hold this, its like lifting...Its not that heavy - 1DX and 24-70 would be around the sameWith a 300f2.8 its closer to 4 kilos An S with lens would be around 2kg too Its only heavy compared to an M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 24, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2015 Its not that heavy - 1DX and 24-70 would be around the same With a 300f2.8 its closer to 4 kilos An S with lens would be around 2kg too Its only heavy compared to an M Precisely, compared to an M is what matters to many of us. It doesn't matter to me whether the SL is slighter bigger or smaller than a DSLR. What matters is whether the increased size compared with an M, which is a highly capable FF digital camera at the heart of a well established high quality system, offers significant advantages to offset its disadvantages. This reasoning has been decried by quite a few people telling me I shouldn't compare it with an M. But why not? It's not a question of which is the better camera, but which is the more fitting for my use. The SL's qualities are yet to be demonstrated, and when they are it will remain a personal choice which, whether it goes in favour of the SL or against for each individual will be valid for everyone who makes it. But it feels very big compared with an M! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 24, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 24, 2015 Precisely, compared to an M is what matters to many of us. It doesn't matter to me whether the SL is slighter bigger or smaller than a DSLR. What matters is whether the increased size compared with an M, which is a highly capable FF digital camera at the heart of a well established high quality system, offers significant advantages to offset its disadvantages. This reasoning has been decried by quite a few people telling me I shouldn't compare it with an M. But why not? It's not a question of which is the better camera, but which is the more fitting for my use. The SL's qualities are yet to be demonstrated, and when they are it will remain a personal choice which, whether it goes in favour of the SL or against for each individual will be valid for everyone who makes it. But it feels very big compared with an M! That may become a bit of a problem. The SL appears to be aiming at the SLR market, the dSLR market, to be exact. For obvious reasons, there are very few Leica dSLR users here in the forum but quite a crowd of M and Q and X users all of which prefer - perhaps only at times - light and small paraphernalia. Not only a few make quite a point of the fact that they got rid of their heavy and cumbersome reflexes. I know that, I'm one of them. This is not the market natural for the SL, I'd think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 24, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 24, 2015 Just because the SL is the R replacement camera I've been hoping for these past few years doesn't mean I love my M-P any less. I will not part with the M-P any time soon. I've owned and used Leica RF side by side with Nikon SLR gear since 1969. Always wanted a Leicaflex SL, and then much later an R8/R9. Only a few years ago could I afford them ... and started building up a nice range of lenses due to the seeming abandonment of the R line with the demise of the R10. But I felt that Leica wouldn't just abandon these superb lenses, they would do the right thing. The SL is that thing. I have a dozen lovely R lenses ready to use with it now, from 19mm to 250mm, most designed by Walter Mandler and brilliant performers. The M-P is, to me, the ultimate joining of the film RF line with the digital bodies. I have all the lenses I need for that too now, and I'm not giving them up. What the SL really means is that I'll have to choose whether to continue to hold onto my Nikon gear as well! G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 24, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 24, 2015 What the SL really means is that I'll have to choose whether to continue to hold onto my Nikon gear as well! I can see far off on the horizon a time coming when I will be rid of all my Nikon gear! I will never give up on the M cameras...but the SL could induce me give up on DSLRs. Time will tell..the Leica SL is still in the nascent stage! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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