johnloumiles Posted September 26, 2015 Share #41 Posted September 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry I wasn't directing that at you, rather the concept in general. I know your answer was matter of fact. I'm not ever trying to be overly serious in any of these posts, hence my flat attempt at humor at the end. Well you asked didn't you so i just answered: WYSIWYG because it sounds obvious to me. I, too, prefer good OVFs to mediocre EVFs and i will always use rangefinders i guess but i like good DSLRs and EVILs as well so i'm not interested in opposing them at all. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildlightphoto Posted September 26, 2015 Share #42 Posted September 26, 2015 And that's one of the worst side effects of digital photography and the EVF specifically. There is no magic left. Those rolls of film waiting to be developed and the mystery that they hold. Always counting on at least one frame coming out completely different then how you pictured when you shot it. Most of the time the simple equation of aperture and shutter speed will provide a reliable outcome on both film and digital but it's not the same. At least with the OVF you can still have the best of both worlds. If you need to check its there on the back of the camera but if you want to ignore it that's just as easy. An EVF, while necessary in some cases, is a wheelchair for people who can walk. No reason to kill and bury the last few remaining cameras that don't follow the slow march to Superman 3 territory. http://www.herogohome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Superman3Robotize.jpg Oh yes I love being surprised by white featureless plumage. There are no cameras remaining with Leicaflex SL viewfinders. Not having seen the S2 viewfinder, for me the SLR's OVF after the SL2 was something to be endured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share #43 Posted September 26, 2015 Doug, I would say the S viewfinder is better than the SL2 viewfinder. Bigger, brighter and just enough info, unlike the information overload in Nikon and Canon DSLR viewfinders. It's really something to behold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 26, 2015 Share #44 Posted September 26, 2015 Doug, I would say the S viewfinder is better than the SL2 viewfinder. Bigger, brighter and just enough info, unlike the information overload in Nikon and Canon DSLR viewfinders. It's really something to behold. I have no doubt you are correct. The S system is simply beyond my means and bigger than I wish to carry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted September 26, 2015 Share #45 Posted September 26, 2015 Ha, you know it is smaller/lighter than your R8/DMR ;-) (unlike the long lenses) john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 26, 2015 Share #46 Posted September 26, 2015 Ha, you know it is smaller/lighter than your R8/DMR ;-) (unlike the long lenses) john LOL yes OTOH the R8/DMR has put on a LOT of weight recently, I'm now using the S*** a7II much more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share #47 Posted September 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Three lenses announced Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4/24-90 mm ASPH.- Leica Apo-Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4/90-280 mm- Leica Summilux-SL 1:1.4/50 mm ASPH. http://digicame-info.com/2015/09/sl3.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share #48 Posted September 28, 2015 Doug, it will be interesting to see if the 280 end of this Apo-Vario-Elmarit approaches the performance of your 280 f/4 R lenses. But I'm guessing a price tag of $10-12,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 28, 2015 Share #49 Posted September 28, 2015 Doug, it will be interesting to see if the 280 end of this Apo-Vario-Elmarit approaches the performance of your 280 f/4 R lenses. But I'm guessing a price tag of $10-12,000. I'm guessing I don't have enough kidneys to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 28, 2015 Share #50 Posted September 28, 2015 I'm guessing I don't have enough kidneys to sell. It's sad when one has run out of kidneys . . . and grannies I'm afraid I haven't got anything left to sell either, so I'm hoping for a camera body which will play well with what I've already got (lots of M lenses and a small collection of R lenses). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #51 Posted September 29, 2015 I'm hoping for a camera body which will play well with what I've already got (lots of M lenses and a small collection of R lenses). Wouldn't that be great! I feel like I'm 5 and it's Christmas Eve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph. Posted September 29, 2015 Share #52 Posted September 29, 2015 I may not be fully qualified to reply here since I do not own the S, but take my chances since I have tried one. I did not have the two side by side, but did not think the view through the S aided framing better than with my R9. Yesterday I used my 180+3,4 plus 2x apoextender and wished I had had an electronic viefinder making low light focussing easier. On an earlier occasion, I used my ancient M and was really pleased to be able to keep both eyes open and still se the motive clearly framed. The electronic finder sitting on top of my small camera is inconveniently large and has a slight delay, The buit in versons i have seen do not make the cameras so unwieldy. As far as I am concerned, the ideal would be a pocketable, high-pixel count, low noise, M-mount, electronic finder (with button-selectable central field enlargement), manual focus, no rear screen to eat batteries and occasionally get smashed and , no wifi to go wrong and eat batteries. A solid Bolex-type carrying strap for the tripod hole and the felt lined Leitz metal lenscap that does not, fall off and can be removed and replaced with winter gloves on. p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted September 29, 2015 Share #53 Posted September 29, 2015 It's sad when one has run out of kidneys . . . and grannies I'm afraid I haven't got anything left to sell either, so I'm hoping for a camera body which will play well with what I've already got (lots of M lenses and a small collection of R lenses). (bold mine)... I am curious. What will be extra benefit (over M240) If not going for the new AF lenses. An incrementally better sensor? (while losing RF for M lenses). To me it makes sense only if you go for the whole enchilada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 29, 2015 Share #54 Posted September 29, 2015 To me it makes sense only if you go for the whole enchilada. We are talking about a new, modular system … You don’t need to go the whole hog; you can start out with just one component and expand on that when it is financially viable and promises to improve your results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted September 29, 2015 Share #55 Posted September 29, 2015 We are talking about a new, modular system … You don’t need to go the whole hog; you can start out with just one component and expand on that when it is financially viable and promises to improve your results. Understood Michael. As for me, only the complete system (with zoom) will give me what is lacking for me right now in M based system. The other day I went to my son's soccer game and realized that a fast autofocus zoom like rumored 24-90 would have been ideal for shooting from sidelines. Having sold my Canon, I was using Nex6 and certainly could use a better system. I also think that 24-90 range is more useful than the ones that stop at 70mm. (BTW, I can't spare my kidney for R 28-90. Lucky are the ones who got this when it was cheaper) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamriman Posted September 29, 2015 Share #56 Posted September 29, 2015 I think losing the "best of all time" optical finder would be a huge mistake.+1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted September 29, 2015 Share #57 Posted September 29, 2015 The finder on the S system is the brightest most satisfying optical finder there is. No latency. Yes EVL is less expensive to manufacture, but at the price of the S the cost of the optical is not a big issue. Will there be a technical camera version of the S, perhaps if there is a demand. The SL will have an EVL ala the Q which is as advanced as there is right now. Interesting that the SL has such a name history for full frame SLR, no one is mentioning that SL might stand for S Lite. What if the SL is not a mirrorless M with full frame, but a S without the prism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 29, 2015 Share #58 Posted September 29, 2015 What if the SL is not a mirrorless M with full frame, but a S without the prism. What if it is neither? So far we have ‘a new M with an EVF’, ‘a Q with interchangeable lenses’, ‘an FF T’, and ‘an S lite’. That is, the SL is supposed be like something already existing, only different. But what if the new system should differentiate itself from all of the existing Leica systems while liberally borrowing proven concepts and components? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 29, 2015 Share #59 Posted September 29, 2015 What if it is neither? So far we have ‘a new M with an EVF’, ‘a Q with interchangeable lenses’, ‘an FF T’, and ‘an S lite’. That is, the SL is supposed be like something already existing, only different. But what if the new system should differentiate itself from all of the existing Leica systems while liberally borrowing proven concepts and components? The Joker is that you? Speaking in riddles is not fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 29, 2015 Share #60 Posted September 29, 2015 The S is just an M with a larger sensor and a prism finder and AF….. Indeed, the SL appears to be a separate new system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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