kiemchacsu Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted July 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I have both a v1 Summicron and a 2.8 Summaron, and I do prefer the Summaron on my M2. (But then I also use a 50 2.8 Elmar on it.) Interesting and different point with people here. Would you elaborate a little bit more why you prefer the Summaron over the "legen" V1 Cron? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TomB_tx Posted July 11, 2015 Share #22 Posted July 11, 2015 Interesting and different point with people here. Would you elaborate a little bit more why you prefer the Summaron over the "legen" V1 Cron? My Summaron tends to give higher contrast and snap than my v1 Summicron. That could be individual variation, a bit of haze in the v1, or even slight focus differences where I hit focus better with the Summaron. In any case I find the Summaron images more pleasing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted July 11, 2015 Share #23 Posted July 11, 2015 My Summaron tends to give higher contrast and snap than my v1 Summicron. That could be individual variation, a bit of haze in the v1, or even slight focus differences where I hit focus better with the Summaron. In any case I find the Summaron images more pleasing. I agree, my experience as well. Moving from a 35/2 IV to a 35/2.8 is not so much a downgrade as a side step. These lenses are more alike than different in character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiemchacsu Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #24 Posted July 24, 2017 After exact 2 years, I've treated myself a gift. I just bought a M4 and a 35/2.8 summaron, this time, the one is newer and even with matched hood 12571J Couldn't happier. I think I will keep 2 bodies 2 lenses for at least a year to see the outputs from those. Which combo do you prefer? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247508-downgrade-from-352-iv-to-3528-am-i-crazy/?do=findComment&comment=3322363'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted July 24, 2017 Share #25 Posted July 24, 2017 I just looking through my Flickr stream and find out that most of the time I shot with f5.6 or so. However, some of my top favorite were shot with F2, maximum aperture of the Summicron. Now, the question is: Do I need a Summicron if I only use it's maximize aperture about 5% of the time? Some photos taken with the Cron at F2. Do you think that the Summaron would handle these situations as well as the Summicron? waiting for the rain by Trung Nguyen, on Flickr Early morning in the fish market by Trung Nguyen, on Flickr '1409 Fruit seller by Trung Nguyen, on Flickr Trung I sent you a PM with attached file (if I can) Very nice series in b&w of Hanoi Street photos. The first picture under rain is SUPERB ! Can you post also in "I like film" thread and you're welcome https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/page-1842 Thank you For your question my choice is done Summicron IV look also at the diagrams I sent you. Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted July 24, 2017 Share #26 Posted July 24, 2017 After exact 2 years, I've treated myself a gift. I just bought a M4 and a 35/2.8 summaron, this time, the one is newer and even with matched hood 12571J Couldn't happier. I think I will keep 2 bodies 2 lenses for at least a year to see the outputs from those. Which combo do you prefer? m2-m4-combined.jpg Trung , M2 for me and summicron and congrats to keep and work with analog cameras A choice of an expert ! It's correct you don't need f/2 all the time but when you need it you'll have the more beautiful shot. I'll post here and in I like film thread some pictures but sorry with summicron 35 Asph just purchased in my Leica Store. Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 24, 2017 Share #27 Posted July 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find my Summaron a bit sharper than my summicron 35 iv and it has just as nice if not nicer bo-keh. The King has it just a bit more dramatic because of the extra stop but Summaron's bo-keh is as smooth as butter at room temperature. It is also much more sturdy than the cron. So I don't know what people are talking here about collector's vs, user's value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted July 24, 2017 Share #28 Posted July 24, 2017 Here open at f/2. At this aperture I can take all walkers in movement in "frozen" position time stopped just for one picture , sp exp 1/125 or 1/60 ? rainy time , no much light outside SP East Station Paris July 2017 Time is long when you wait Leica M7-Summicron 35 Asph-Kodak TMAX400 TMAX dev myself in Kodak Pro D76 pure (no dilution) 6mn45 seconds 22°C Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! JMS a technical french expert in photography gives a note 5/5 for Summicron 35 Asph and 4/5 for Summicron IV. I cannot send the file by PM Trung ! sorry look at my PM Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! JMS a technical french expert in photography gives a note 5/5 for Summicron 35 Asph and 4/5 for Summicron IV. I cannot send the file by PM Trung ! sorry look at my PM Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247508-downgrade-from-352-iv-to-3528-am-i-crazy/?do=findComment&comment=3322396'>More sharing options...
microview Posted July 24, 2017 Share #29 Posted July 24, 2017 "I do HATE the infinity lock of the Summaron" But it'a very easily disabled by putting a thin sliver from a matchstick where you put your thumb to release. The 38 2.8 Summaron is the one lens I most regret having sold, and in the UK they vey rarely come up for sale. Here the v1 Summicron is very expensive and I am told its virtues are mostly a myth! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted July 24, 2017 Share #30 Posted July 24, 2017 The 38 2.8 Summaron is the one lens I most regret having sold, and in the UK they vey rarely come up for sale. Here the v1 Summicron is very expensive and I am told its virtues are mostly a myth! They are likewise pricey in the US and rarely come up for sale. I had the costly experience with one in great cometic shape but containing haze unremovable at CLA. The recurring haze factor in these 60 year-old pieces renders a perfect sample all the more rare. Erwin Puts has some contradictory comments regarding the performance of the 8-element vs Summaron at ƒ/2.8 but in any event, the two 'render' differently. Summarons are more readily available on the 2nd hand market and appear to better resist the ravages of haze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted July 25, 2017 Share #31 Posted July 25, 2017 I don't know if there's a lot in it. I used to have the 35mm v1 eight element. I really liked that lens, but foolishly sold it on eBay in 2011, for nearly five times the price I paid for it in1998. I put this money towards a 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE. The FLE is a great lens, but I've never completely bonded with it. It's quite big and heavy on the front of an M. It's often said that you should never sell a Leica lens, and that's absolutely true. I couldn't justify paying the crazy prices for the v1 eight element to re-buy a copy, so I found a nice Summaron F2.8 from Red Dot cameras for £550. I must say, I love this lens. I use it a lot more than the FLE. I use it both on my film Leicas (in good light), and on my M Monochrom mk1 (in good and bad light). My experience of the v1 eight element was that it was beautifully engineered, very sharp, especially in the centre, not exactly high contrast. It was just a lovely reliable, compact lens. It had that nice 'rounded' vintage Leica rendering. Superb on black and white film. The Summaron is essentially the same lens, just a stop slower, and with a smaller, more recessed front element. It's so deeply recessed that I don't bother about a hood. But I find the Summaron a touch crisper and more contrasty than the v1 eight element. That's just my experience, of course. I don't really miss the eight element any more, but then I have the FLE for use in poor light, especially on film. Here are a couple of shots from the Summaron F2.8, on the M Monochrom mk1, both shot at F2.8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247508-downgrade-from-352-iv-to-3528-am-i-crazy/?do=findComment&comment=3323254'>More sharing options...
colint544 Posted July 25, 2017 Share #32 Posted July 25, 2017 And here is a shot on film. Leica M5, 35mm Summaron F2.8, at F2.8, Ilford HP5, developed in !D-11, 1+1 Cheers! https://www.instagram.com/colintempleton/ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247508-downgrade-from-352-iv-to-3528-am-i-crazy/?do=findComment&comment=3323260'>More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted July 25, 2017 Share #33 Posted July 25, 2017 I don't know if there's a lot in it. I used to have the 35mm v1 eight element. I really liked that lens, but foolishly sold it on eBay in 2011, for nearly five times the price I paid for it in1998. I put this money towards a 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE. The FLE is a great lens, but I've never completely bonded with it. It's quite big and heavy on the front of an M. It's often said that you should never sell a Leica lens, and that's absolutely true. I couldn't justify paying the crazy prices for the v1 eight element to re-buy a copy, so I found a nice Summaron F2.8 from Red Dot cameras for £550. I must say, I love this lens. I use it a lot more than the FLE. I use it both on my film Leicas (in good light), and on my M Monochrom mk1 (in good and bad light). My experience of the v1 eight element was that it was beautifully engineered, very sharp, especially in the centre, not exactly high contrast. It was just a lovely reliable, compact lens. It had that nice 'rounded' vintage Leica rendering. Superb on black and white film. The Summaron is essentially the same lens, just a stop slower, and with a smaller, more recessed front element. It's so deeply recessed that I don't bother about a hood. But I find the Summaron a touch crisper and more contrasty than the v1 eight element. That's just my experience, of course. I don't really miss the eight element any more, but then I have the FLE for use in poor light, especially on film. Here are a couple of shots from the Summaron F2.8, on the M Monochrom mk1, both shot at F2.8. These look astounding! I have two Summaron 2.8, and very glad I am too. Only using them with film at present, but these images show just how amazing the earlier formulations really were. Many thanks for posting. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted July 25, 2017 Share #34 Posted July 25, 2017 These look astounding! I have two Summaron 2.8, and very glad I am too. Only using them with film at present, but these images show just how amazing the earlier formulations really were. Many thanks for posting. J Thank you, yes. I was amazed at how sharp the old Summaron was on my M Monochrom mk1. You can just keep pulling the image up to reveal more and more detail. I can't see any more detail in the images from the FLE lens, and that's a fairly new aspherical design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiemchacsu Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted July 25, 2017 Look at those images created by the Summaron, along with my experiece with it shortly in 2 years ago, I think this time I will keep 2 35mm lenses with me. Obviously, the previous generation optical designers in Leica had left quite minor room for improvements. Such a tough job for Pete Karbe and his team now I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 25, 2017 Share #36 Posted July 25, 2017 Thank you, yes. I was amazed at how sharp the old Summaron was on my M Monochrom mk1. You can just keep pulling the image up to reveal more and more detail. I can't see any more detail in the images from the FLE lens, and that's a fairly new aspherical design. Can't agree more, with your earlier post as well. In the darkroom you can sheer endlessly dodge the shadows without losing contrast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted July 25, 2017 Share #37 Posted July 25, 2017 Are you crazy? YES I was very disappointed with my 2.8 as it was not sharp to 5.6. The V1 had character and was useable at 2.0, sharp at 2.8. Leica historical Society tests from 2 decades ago disagreed so perhaps I had a bad sample. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 25, 2017 Share #38 Posted July 25, 2017 Could well be Tobey, mine is from 1961 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black J Posted July 27, 2017 Share #39 Posted July 27, 2017 The v4 is never the KOB, if you compared all versions of 35/2. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black J Posted July 27, 2017 Share #40 Posted July 27, 2017 Leica historical Society tests from 2 decades ago disagreed so perhaps I had a bad sample. If it's not the bad lighting condition, then it must be a bad copy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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