wparsonsgisnet Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted April 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here's a sample using the 50 DR to photograph kids (lighting sucks, tho). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243521-using-puts-one-lens-lens-the-24mm-f28-asph/?do=findComment&comment=2798547'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Hi wparsonsgisnet, Take a look here Using Puts "One Lens" lens -- the 24mm f2.8 asph. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Chuck Albertson Posted April 17, 2015 Share #22 Posted April 17, 2015 I am intrigued by this lens and this discussion about it. Just wondering...why was it discontinued? And, what is the equivalent? The 24mm f3.8 ASPH? Or the 1.4? (Big jump from 1.4 to 3.8!) And a question I've had has been answered, I suppose...as stated above. That is, the viewfinder itself in the M240 is about equivalent to the 24mm view. Right? The 24 Elmarit-M was discontinued when the f/3.8 was introduced. You can't go wrong with either. After Leica introduced the M8, I started getting a lot of offers on the street for my 24/2.8, from M8 owners who wanted a 35mm-equivalent. Some silly figures were bandied about, but I'm glad I didn't sell it. Most of the time I shoot with a 35, but for crowds it's hard to beat the 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seakayaker1 Posted April 17, 2015 Share #23 Posted April 17, 2015 I own the 24/3.8 Elmar and find it to be a beautiful lens, compact and captures wonderful detail. On occasion my two lens kit is the 24 Elmar and a fast 50 and feel quite comfortable with these two lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sml_photo Posted April 17, 2015 Share #24 Posted April 17, 2015 I own the 24/3.8 Elmar and find it to be a beautiful lens, compact and captures wonderful detail. On occasion my two lens kit is the 24 Elmar and a fast 50 and feel quite comfortable with these two lenses. And just to check...do you use it with the M240 without the EVF? That is, do you just use the outside edge of the viewfinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted April 21, 2015 Share #25 Posted April 21, 2015 ......... Puts actually said, "No Leica lens user should be without this lens."........... The full quote is :- No Leica M user should be without this lens. The M style of photography demands intimate close range photography and the 24 mm lens is one of the best lenses to explore this area. At this writing it,(the 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH), delivers unsurpassed quality in the 24 mm focal length. As so often when citing quotes from Erwin's writings there is a degree of ambiguity. Does he mean the 24mm focal length, to which he admits to having overcome initial doubts about its inclusion in the Leica range, (Quote: "It seems to sit uncomfortably between the 21mm and 28mm lenses"), or does he mean in particular the 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH. In his Leica Lens Compendium, published in 2001, he describes the 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH as a ".....landmark design." but does not suggest that it is "A Must" for every camera bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share #26 Posted April 21, 2015 Puts is referring specifically to -- "the Elmarit- M (third version of 1979) at f/2,8." This is also the lens that I am using. When I bot the M8, there was a 28mm f2.8 lens available and recommended for purchase. That lens was $1,500, at the time. I did a bunch of research and found the 24mm f2.8 on eBay for $1,500 and bot it due to Puts recommendation. Every time I use this lens, I am more pleased. A big thank you to Erwin (if I may be so bold). Regards to all, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted April 21, 2015 Share #27 Posted April 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Puts is referring specifically to -- "the Elmarit- M (third version of 1979) at f/2,8."...... The Elmarit-M (III) of 1979 is a 28mm lens - sorry but I'm now a bit confused! Best wishes, Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share #28 Posted April 21, 2015 My bad, I grabbed the wrong piece of text from the Compendium. He says, "I used an example of the 24 mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH lens .... " thanks for the heads-up. Best regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted April 21, 2015 Share #29 Posted April 21, 2015 ........"I used an example of the 24 mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH lens .... "....... I had one of the 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH lenses and it was indeed an outstanding performer, particularly on Kodachrome. When I got caught up in the very first days of the M8 saga I felt obliged to get a 28mm f/2 Summicron-M ASPH to replicate my 35mm f/2 on film. When the M240 came along I found myself with the 24mm and the 28mm which were just too close and I needed something wider. To cut a long story short I decided to sell the 24mm with plans to get a 21mm but eventually bought an 18mm f/3.8 which I do not for a moment regret. It intrigues me as to quite what Leica were doing when they discontinued the f/2.8 Elmarit lenses. Their story at the time was that they could not compete with OM lenses of f/2.8 and f/2 on price/performance so decided to offer f/1.4 lenses at high cost with effectively no OM competition. Also they suggested that they would introduce lenses of typically f/3.8 which were benchmark designs whose optical performance could not be bettered by OM suppliers. Seems to me they left a big hole in their product line up and seem to have failed to follow through with lenses such as the 28mm range. Perhaps the Summarit range got in the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnK Posted April 22, 2015 Share #30 Posted April 22, 2015 On my M (240) 24mm Elmar works very well. Love the contrast, sharpness & the pop it provides. Other 75mm also is extremely efficient lens too. I leave EVF2 on all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share #31 Posted April 22, 2015 Here is another with the whole rigamarole -- Quantum stand-mount flashes, radio triggers, monopod, and 24mm f2.8 asph. I like the smoky atmosphere that the lens captures from the flash beam, even tho the dancer got out of the light throw. Part of the enjoyment is both having the dancer execute a perfect leap (legs are 180 degrees), and having them wait there while I take the picture. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243521-using-puts-one-lens-lens-the-24mm-f28-asph/?do=findComment&comment=2803154'>More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted April 23, 2015 Share #32 Posted April 23, 2015 ........I like the smoky atmosphere that the lens captures from the flash beam, even tho the dancer got out of the light throw............ Hum! Not sure about the "smoke". Looks to me like veiling flare. Light bouncing around inside the lens and finally getting to the sensor without APO correction! I've experienced it with the 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH and the 28mm f/2 Summicron-M ASPH. It seems to depend on a very bright light source in a critical position just outside the field of view. A few degrees either way and it does not occur. I have never experienced it with my 18mm f/3.8 which really does seem to be immune to this problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share #33 Posted April 23, 2015 I believe it is flare from the uv/ir filter on the lens. I sold my M8 n M9 to buy the M (240) and this lens still had the ir-cut filter on it. I liked the effect so left it on for this shooting session. It's since been retired to a drawer. I just thot it was fun -- the picture isn't really recoverable anyway from the loss of lighting when the dancer moved out of the light throw. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted April 23, 2015 Share #34 Posted April 23, 2015 I believe it is flare from the uv/ir filter on the lens. I sold my M8 n M9 to buy the M (240) and this lens still had the ir-cut filter on it. I liked the effect so left it on for this shooting session. It's since been retired to a drawer. I just thot it was fun -- the picture isn't really recoverable anyway from the loss of lighting when the dancer moved out of the light throw. Bill Your experience is the same as mine. A UVa/IR filter, being multi-coated, is an ever present danger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted April 26, 2015 Share #35 Posted April 26, 2015 I have had this lens for a couple of years and use it paired with the 50 Apo. I don't think it gives up much to the 50 Apo in image quality. They draw in a similar fashion, as compared to the 35 Summilux FLE, which seems a bit frenetic in the way it handles bokeh. I definitely agree on the 24 2.8, that I pair with the 35 Summilux ASPH (non FLE). They both draw in a very similar fashion. It would seem to me that the newer designs (24 3.8 and 35 Lux FLE) tend to have higher contrast, probably higher resolution, but less attractive bokeh. I highly recommend the 24 Elmarit ASPH, it has the classic Leica look, and is technically superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 26, 2015 Share #36 Posted April 26, 2015 I'm interested in the use of wide angles like the 24mm for portraits and figures, not least because I have struggled with distortion when using them, unless they are taken from a distance and heavily cropped. Taking Bill's two single-figure shots, which are side-on, as examples, I often find the near shoulder, especially when bare, becomes distractingly large. Limbs pointing towards the camera can also look deformed. Your shots look fine in this respect, Bill: are they cropped much? Although on the face of it shooting from a distance and cropping makes a 24mm wasteful compared to, say, 50mm or 75mm uncropped, I realise it is sometimes the only way to capture fast moving performance within the frame, or to get sufficient depth of field in low light on stage (e.g. rehearsals, when full stage lighting is not used). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share #37 Posted April 27, 2015 ... I often find the near shoulder, especially when bare, becomes distractingly large. Limbs pointing towards the camera can also look deformed. Your shots look fine in this respect, Bill: are they cropped much?... Yes, I crop. My practice is to zone focus and ignore the camera. For portraits, this lets me interact with the subject(s) such that the camera disappears. For the dance shots, using (very powerful) flash units allows me to shoot at f5.6 or higher, so that focusing is not involved (with the 24mm lens). In both of the above situations, I crop. Isn't that what 24mp are for? In my shooting, I depend on the camera to do its job and I ignore it. It sits on a monopod and I slam the shutter down. I estimate that a dancer in a leap is moving about 20 mph at the peak of the leap. in 1/250 second, that dancer moves a little more than an inch. I am always amazed that the blur is not so visible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share #38 Posted April 27, 2015 A dancer I shot in November of 2009 has just opened the Maryland School of Dance (you might get a clue from the photo). To send her some best wishes I went back and looked at the pix. Again, this was made with the magic 24mm f2.8 asph lens -- using an M8 and an IR-Cut filter. The image is just so sharp. It's what makes me appreciate this lens. Regards to all, Bill Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243521-using-puts-one-lens-lens-the-24mm-f28-asph/?do=findComment&comment=2805867'>More sharing options...
otto.f Posted April 27, 2015 Share #39 Posted April 27, 2015 Not only sharp, great capture!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share #40 Posted April 27, 2015 And, using the SAME lens (on the M240), two days ago -- here are some captures at f5.6, where the DOF is 5.5 feet to infinity. Don't have to do anything except follow the dancers. AND, just for fun you should know that these images are for a dance concert to be presented this weekend called "Depth of Field." Here are some images from Saturday -- same MAGIC lens. As you will notice, the dancers are both at the front of the stage (about 7 feet away) and at the back (about 50 feet). No messing with focus. Lots of light. Lots of fun. Thanks for looking. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243521-using-puts-one-lens-lens-the-24mm-f28-asph/?do=findComment&comment=2805910'>More sharing options...
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