The Expanding Man Posted February 22, 2015 Share #1 Posted February 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have set my M240 to shoot both DNG and JPEG with the black and white filter added to the JPEG image, as suggested in an article by Thorsten Overgaard. When I review photos on the rear screen, it displays the black and white JPEG image. Is there any way to get the camera to display the colour DNG image on the rear screen instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 22, 2015 Share #2 Posted February 22, 2015 Welcome to the forum. Yes, do not use the B&W setting. A DNG image alone cannot be displayed, you will always display some JPG conversion, even if you set the camera to DNG only. (but it will only export the DNG with embedded JPG thumbnail) When you use the JPG settings of the camera by setting it to DNG+JPG the camera will display and export the JPG you instructed it to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Expanding Man Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted February 22, 2015 Welcome to the forum. Yes, do not use the B&W setting. A DNG image alone cannot be displayed, you will always display some JPG conversion, even if you set the camera to DNG only. (but it will only export the DNG with embedded JPG thumbnail) When you use the JPG settings of the camera by setting it to DNG+JPG the camera will display and export the JPG you instructed it to use. Thank you for your welcome and helpful answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted February 22, 2015 Share #4 Posted February 22, 2015 The whole point of using B&W jpg's is so that the display IS B&W .....and allegedly allows you to assess exposure and and composition without the distraction of colour..... Generally ..... if it looks ok in B&W the image should be great in colour .... or at the least make a good B&W conversion. I have just come back from holiday where I had my Leica T set on B&W high contrast as a trial of this ..... and I can't honestly say it made much difference ....... you do have a histogram after all to assess exposure ..... which in many ways is much more sensible. Thorsten, bless him, has a number of affectations and quirks amongst his website of excellent advice and I can only see this as being useful if you are a mainly B&W lover and will be converting most of your DNG images anyway ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 22, 2015 Share #5 Posted February 22, 2015 Welcome to the forum. Another way would be to set up two User Profiles; one for colour and one for monochrome. If your main interest is to render a mono picture, use the Mono profile. Given time, such as in landscape photography, repeat the shot having selected your Colour profile. Both files will look the same or similar in Lightroom (or other). So just discard one of the DNG files at that stage. At least that would enable you to see what a Jpeg looks like in colour at the scene of shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Expanding Man Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted February 22, 2015 Welcome to the forum.Another way would be to set up two User Profiles; one for colour and one for monochrome. If your main interest is to render a mono picture, use the Mono profile. Given time, such as in landscape photography, repeat the shot having selected your Colour profile. Both files will look the same or similar in Lightroom (or other). So just discard one of the DNG files at that stage. At least that would enable you to see what a Jpeg looks like in colour at the scene of shooting. Thanks for your welcome and answer. Anybody have an opinion as to whether the in body processing to create a monochrome JPEG image is any better than a Lightroom conversion from DNG to black & white JPEG? I've only had the camera a few days, but my initial opinion is that the in body conversion to monochrome looks a bit better than my lightroom conversions. This may well be down to my lightroom skills! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7 Posted February 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) That depends entirely on your postprocessing skills. Doing it yourself will certainly give more control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 22, 2015 Share #8 Posted February 22, 2015 This may well be down to my lightroom skills! Exactly. You don't have control over the camera conversion, but you have total control in PP, whether you use LR or another software. It pays to learn the back end of the workflow as much as the front….especially if you print…whether color or b/w. And if the software improves, or your skills/tastes change, you can always reprocess the DNG, not the JPEG. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 22, 2015 Share #9 Posted February 22, 2015 Anybody have an opinion as to whether the in body processing to create a monochrome JPEG image is any better than a Lightroom conversion from DNG to black & white JPEG? Post-processing the DNG to B&W is always more flexible than accepting in-camera JPEG B&W because we can modify specific RGB channels in varying degrees of each. I will leave the details until you are more comfortable with PP and your chosen software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 22, 2015 Share #10 Posted February 22, 2015 With modest skill, which can be learned, you could achieve vastly better monochrome pictures starting with a DNG file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 22, 2015 Share #11 Posted February 22, 2015 Thanks for your welcome and answer. Anybody have an opinion as to whether the in body processing to create a monochrome JPEG image is any better than a Lightroom conversion from DNG to black & white JPEG? I've only had the camera a few days, but my initial opinion is that the in body conversion to monochrome looks a bit better than my lightroom conversions. This may well be down to my lightroom skills! In RAW-PP everything will look better. See also: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/362999-i-really-love-m-240-camera.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 22, 2015 Share #12 Posted February 22, 2015 For anybody who isn't familiar with doing much post processing, or working in B&W, the JPEG + DNG setting can be very useful as a means of inspiration. It is absolutely true that much much more can be got out of a DNG converted to B&W in Lightroom, but having a JPEG is a great aid to visualisation and the imagination. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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