canon TSE lenses on M240

[wceide]

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Hi,

 

i am wondering if anyone use the canon EF 24 and 17 mm TSE on M240?

How convenient is the liveview to use with M240 compared to 5D M3?

Which adapter to choose?

 

The EF lenses can be closed at a chosen aperture when pressing the depth of field preview button while taking off the lenses. As the TSE lenses perform best around f 9-11, and using them on tripod, i don't mind not being able to change the aperture (which seems by now impossible with the EF-M adaptors on the market)

 

thanks for your feedbacks

 

best

[farnz]

The major limitation/irritation you're likely to find with the M240's live view versus the 5DIII's is the inability to move the focus or exposure metering spot around the screen. They stay "Dead ahead, Captain." and regrettably you'll need to move the camera if you want focus or metering from anything other than the centre of the screen.

 

Pete.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I agree with Farnz. The centre only focusing is a serious limitation with the T/S lenses. There's also the fact that you'd have to shoot wide open or have an EOS body handy to do the "stop down and remove lens" trick to use any other aperture.

 

Seriously, the best platform for Canon T/S lenses is the Sony A7 series and a metabones adaptor. Better than any Canon camera as well.

 

Gordon

[wceide]

I agree with Farnz. The centre only focusing is a serious limitation with the T/S lenses. There's also the fact that you'd have to shoot wide open or have an EOS body handy to do the "stop down and remove lens" trick to use any other aperture.

 

Seriously, the best platform for Canon T/S lenses is the Sony A7 series and a metabones adaptor. Better than any Canon camera as well.

 

Gordon

 

Thanks.

I 've read that there are internal refelctions in the metabones adpters which lower the contrast with TSE lenses ... Have you exprerimented this?

[FlashGordonPhotography]

The version 4 has improved flocking to reduce this. There are kits available for the version 3. My shooting partner uses an A7R with a metabones 3 and 17+24TSE lenses with fantastic results. He has no issues with reflections although some have. I have used his lenses with my mk3 adaptor and had no issues although my experience is limited.

 

Gordon

[brill64]

there is basic flaw that is not mentioned in this or other forum posts on the subject - the weight of t-se lenses which are not designed for small rangefinders & should be given very careful consideration. since the t-se's project out even further than on a canon with any adaptor & with it's biggest/heaviest glass elements placed at the end, it's basic physics that stresses will eventually rip, buckle or bend something out of true on M-body &/or the various mounts. leica lenses are small & even a noctilux weighs less, not to mention any cmos/focal plane discrepancies at frame edges with any third-party mount & the need to lock off shift movements every time before exposure. even with liveview on the M-240, the t-se's are still better off used on a canon - right camera for the job in my mind but if you must use it then do so with extreme caution!

[cirke]

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btw I'd like to see a TS 24 Summicron M

[fotofool]

btw I'd like to see a TS 24 Summicron M

 

Yes please, or a TS 21 SEM! That is assuming the next M fixes the unmovable focus point...

[jto555]

there is basic flaw that is not mentioned in this or other forum posts on the subject - the weight of t-se lenses which are not designed for small rangefinders & should be given very careful consideration. since the t-se's project out even further than on a canon with any adaptor & with it's biggest/heaviest glass elements placed at the end, it's basic physics that stresses will eventually rip, buckle or bend something out of true on M-body &/or the various mounts. leica lenses are small & even a noctilux weighs less, not to mention any cmos/focal plane discrepancies at frame edges with any third-party mount & the need to lock off shift movements every time before exposure. even with liveview on the M-240, the t-se's are still better off used on a canon - right camera for the job in my mind but if you must use it then do so with extreme caution!

 

 

This fixes the issue:

Canon TSE Tripod Collar

 

However, the cost for the Leica/lens/mounting plate is getting a bit mad at that stage. However I do agree that the shift lens would be better with the Canon.

 

John

[tobey bilek]

With the 28 and 35 Leica R shift only, the procedure has always been to focus in center, set exposure, then shift for composition.

 

This was necessary for film. The procedure is more demanding for digital. I use them on Nikon D800 where they work beautifully.

 

I would caution their use on a sensors with micro lenses because they are made to capture with the lens axis centered. Someone with actual experience would be the best reference in this respect. I would not buy to try or if I already owned, I would use on the camera they were made for.

[brill64]

This fixes the issue:

Canon TSE Tripod Collar

 

However, the cost for the Leica/lens/mounting plate is getting a bit mad at that stage. However I do agree that the shift lens would be better with the Canon.

 

John

 

not very useful & sadly not really, except that it now means the lens is attached to a tripod assembly & M-camera weight hangs off that. this is good...& i say this very respectfully so please try not to misinterpret my sentiment here... the collar is only effective & only fixes horizontal shift for using a tse on your M-240. for vertical rise & fall you need to attach the collar at 90 degees to the tripod, cantilevering the whole assembly out about another foot or more thereby adding enormous strain (camera+lens+battery) on your innocent tripod screw, stainless steel or not. so M-240+tse-17/24+whatever accessories cantilevered sideways off a 3/4" steel screw, in an all-aluminium collar assembly. then try locking off any movements with the tiny knobs & shfting upwards without having packed the dedicated hartblei screwdriver. mind you, the adaptor works great for horizontal stitching but only if you want huge files, additional work & fixing any mismatches that can occur in stitching. the Hartblei collar is not a very effective solution in my mind & it needs to be redesigned.

[Mornnb]

there is basic flaw that is not mentioned in this or other forum posts on the subject - the weight of t-se lenses which are not designed for small rangefinders & should be given very careful consideration. since the t-se's project out even further than on a canon with any adaptor & with it's biggest/heaviest glass elements placed at the end, it's basic physics that stresses will eventually rip, buckle or bend something out of true on M-body &/or the various mounts. leica lenses are small & even a noctilux weighs less

 

I own this lens and shoot a 5D. The 17mm TS-E is only a 800 gram lens, the 50mm Noctilux itself is 700 grams. I think the Leica M can take it, it's a tough metal body. Leica is also happy to market the Leica M as being able to work with R lenses via an adaptor.

See: R-Adapter M // Ergonomics // Technical Equipment // Leica M // Photography - Leica Camera AG

 

However the real problem here is that Canon EF lenses have electronic aperture, and Canon intends you to control it from the body. This is not going to work on a Leica M, there's no power being provided to the lens. Indeed all EF lenses including Zeiss's have an electronic aperture. You'll need an adaptor with it's own battery and power, or you'll be stuck on f4

Seriously if you want to use the TS-E 17mm or any other of Canon's best and quality glass such as the famous 85mm 1.2, you need a Sony A7 or a Canon 5D.

[HeinzX]

It is possible to set any aperture with a Canon camera and to keep it - but it is not possible to change it on the M 240 when it was released from the Canon. Of course a dealer can do this for you and it is not necessary to have a Canon, but in this case you have to stick to this aperture - it can only be changed with a Canon camera afterwards. As far as the TS-E 17 is concerned a advisable aperture is i.e. f 5.6 or f 8.0. And you can use this lens together with a FotodioX adapter together with the M 240. This kind of procedure can take place with any Canon EF lens but makes only sense if it is not necessary to change the aperture. Normally I do not do this with my M 240 and the TS-E 17 mm, because I use my Canon 5 D III in this case, but I do it occasionally with my M-E 65 lens from Canon, which is a very special lens for macros, allowing a magnification factor of 5 times natural size = 5:1. Of course together with a tripod and a macro slide. And it could be done with the good and cheap 100 macro lens from Canon ( the non L is sufficient) to achíeve magnification factors up to 1:1 - in this case a tripod is not a must.