Magnus_L_Andersson Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted February 1, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Latest idea at internet is a shutter problem - any comments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted February 1, 2015 Share #22 Posted February 1, 2015 Yes, stop messing about and send the camera back. It clearly needs attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePioneer Posted February 2, 2015 Share #23 Posted February 2, 2015 You originally posted about this on December 1, 2014. It is now February 1, 2015. You still haven't sent it in for repair under warranty, but you do continue to post about it. Seems a little bit odd. As previously recommended. Return it for service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 2, 2015 Share #24 Posted February 2, 2015 Looking at the rewind knob, the film doesn't seem to be winding at all with either stroke which concurs with Leica's response with their copy. Send it back. In the decades I've used film Leica Ms I've never experienced such a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 2, 2015 Share #25 Posted February 2, 2015 You originally posted about this on December 1, 2014. The OP first raised the issue on the 12th January but I agree with you that he is wasting time fiddling around with it. Unless he is doing something bizarrely wrong (and loading a film in the M is quite simple), the camera is defective and the OP should return the camera for replacement or repair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 2, 2015 Share #26 Posted March 2, 2015 I got a new one from Leica in a few hours after having similar problems.... good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted March 2, 2015 Share #27 Posted March 2, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) WTF!?!? This is a brand new $4800 camera! What are you waiting for? There is no way that you are doing something wrong and that you can fix this. You must send this to your dealer or Leica and demand a brand new camera. Let them fix it and throw it back into the sales que. You just paid a healthy premium for a worry free long term German tank. You are perfectly entitled to let Leica have it for F'ing up the quality control here. I am very sorry this happened and hope it never happens again!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Russell Posted March 3, 2015 Share #28 Posted March 3, 2015 Seems Leica are having quite a few of these QC issues: Leica in Troubled Waters — Strategic Investor Blackstone Ups Pressure | THEME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 3, 2015 Share #29 Posted March 3, 2015 Seems Leica are having quite a few of these QC issues: Leica in Troubled Waters — Strategic Investor Blackstone Ups Pressure | THEME I am skeptical of such articles written in a totally passive voice and with nothing but alleged hearsay - the very worst kind of non-information. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 3, 2015 Share #30 Posted March 3, 2015 I am skeptical of such articles written in a totally passive voice and with nothing but alleged hearsay - the very worst kind of non-information.. Well the hearsay was right about a new CEO, so as the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Russell Posted March 3, 2015 Share #31 Posted March 3, 2015 I am skeptical of such articles written in a totally passive voice and with nothing but alleged hearsay - the very worst kind of non-information.. It seems that there are an awful lot of QC issues with Leica of late. I am aware of some first hand: A friend of mine purchased the Leica-T with the M lens adapter which is faulty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 3, 2015 Share #32 Posted March 3, 2015 Well the hearsay was right about a new CEO, so as the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire! That's the problem with the internet - there's often smoke without fire, and fire without smoke! PS - Having read the article, I'd have to agree with Pico, I think. This seems to be the sum total of the research behind the article, the rest being reciting rumours: User forums suggest QC became a major issue. Hardware didn’t live up to the hefty price tags while the competition’s imaging technology seems light years ahead. Now management tensions have spilled into the public domain. And as for Andreas Kaufmann being axed, some one has been smoking something strange. As I recall, Dr Kaufmann had to buy out his siblings a few years ago (ACM no longer being an acronym for their given names), and he is effectively the sole owner of ACM, which includes Leica and its related companies. Unless, of course, he's sold down his shareholding, which would seem odd ... PPS - the comments on the Leica Rumours article look like a reasonably typical beat-up. You could say they are representative of market response, but then who visits Leica Rumours and bothers to post in the comments section. You might as well go to DPReview ... The camera market is going to be a strange place to be in the future, and even stranger for companies that really only make cameras and optical products - Nikon and Leica? I think there will always be demand for dedicated, high quality cameras; and they won't be cheap in the long run. One criticism of Leica's digital offerings, though, is that they don't warrant the high quality manufacturing and price point with the standard of electronics they provide and the long term product support. The solution is for Leica to openly, and unconditionally, offer support and upgrades for its electronics in the M cameras. They can charge for it, but it would give a huge point of difference. That would mean that Leica has to ensure that physically the electronics have to fit into the existing M(240) form factor - I wouldn't have thought that was too hard, and the M is only marginally larger than my M3 (compare the original Nikon F with ANY Nikon digital dSLR). Imagine if you have the option of replacing your existing sensor with whatever is the latest offering, while keeping your nicely brassed body. The argument agains this is that cameras sales would drop. That's true, but Leica wouldn't lose as many sales as they seem to be losing from M9 owners who've looked at the M(240), had sensor failures, looked at the M8 fiasco and decided that Nikon is a better bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbeyFoto Posted March 4, 2015 Share #33 Posted March 4, 2015 ... Leica wouldn't lose as many sales as they seem to be losing from M9 owners who've looked at the M(240), had sensor failures, looked at the M8 fiasco and decided that Nikon is a better bet. While comparing Leica and Nikon lets not forget the D600 fiasco and D750 flare glitch. Competitive "quick to market" has it's downsides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 4, 2015 Share #34 Posted March 4, 2015 While comparing Leica and Nikon lets not forget the D600 fiasco and D750 flare glitch. Competitive "quick to market" has it's downsides. That's true, all manufacturers have production issues, but Leica is at the top of the price heap. My concern is that they need to consolidate their unique selling point. The M9 was a breakthrough camera for Leica. They've been distracted by quality issues and I think they've lost sight of that USP. The Monochrom and the M-A, and yes the M60, attract public attention to Leica as being different, and the focus on the Essence is the right place to be. I'm not sure the M(240) delivers on that message. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted March 4, 2015 Share #35 Posted March 4, 2015 I've got two cars made in Britain by hand and one Japanese car made by robots. Guess which one of those three cost me the least and never let me down so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted March 11, 2015 Share #36 Posted March 11, 2015 Magnus, I had a very similar problem with my used M7 last weekend. I've had the film in the camera since Christmas half used. All was well until suddenly the shutter wouldn't fire. I was sure I'd fully wound on but no I had to really wind hard the last 30 degrees and then it fired ok. I then tried a couple of more blank shots (lens cap on) so I'd know where in the film it had happened. It was OK again for a couple more shots then it happened again. The wind on was much harder than normal. I finally finished the film. I suspect the film, or perhaps it may have got stuck or some moisture got in and made the film stick to itself? I should know more when I get the Provia back at the end of the week. I should be able to see if the exposed frames are the even 8 holes of if they have been shortened by the jam tightening up any slack in the film cassette or stretching the film or breaking the sprocket holes in some way. When I got home I loaded an old test film and ran it through the camera with no trouble, rewound the film and took it out. There were no tight spots at all. There were no bits of broken film in the camera from either the exposed film or the old test film. I'll risk using the M7 with another film for exposure as I've always got my MP as a back-up or as the main travel camera. I feel it is something to do with the tension in the film cassette that may occur after the film has been left in the camera. But actually I now remember I did have a similar issue with the MP about 10 years ago at the same place Avebury Stone Circle in Wiltshire (local to me). It may be a lay line thing? Spooky! Regards, Lincoln Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 11, 2015 Share #37 Posted March 11, 2015 Magnus, I had a very similar problem with my used M7 last weekend. I have to run to the shop at the moment, but there have been some common M7 jams and a simple remedy. I will check my notes packed with my two M7s. Will get back here if I find it. ...or maybe I'll just have a beer instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 12, 2015 Share #38 Posted March 12, 2015 I have to run to the shop at the moment, but there have been some common M7 jams and a simple remedy. I will check my notes packed with my two M7s. Will get back here if I find it. ...or maybe I'll just have a beer instead. Never mind. I did go through the notes on my SD card and it is mostly bullshit. I had a couple of beers instead. Good luck. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted March 14, 2015 Share #39 Posted March 14, 2015 Magnus, So I got the film back from the lab. They said it had sprocket damage and they had to cut the film in two (presumably before processing? I'll find out). I had shot two blank frames any way at the incident. You can see the damaged frame at 17 and I lost 18,19 before coming back to normal. I couldn't find any shreds of film pieces in the M7 so it seems OK now. I have run my test film through 3x now and it winds on fine with no issues. So it should be OK to put in a real slide film again instead of the 20 years old b&W film I use for testing the mechanism. It took 6 shots after being left for 3 months with film in ( at shot 11 ) and not used before the jam happened. The only thing to say about the day was that it was very dry cold wind 12C that felt like 5C so it might have possibly been some sort of static build up? Or the film not quite seated, so it was wound at a slight angle causing strain, but then the exposures look normal and not at an angle? Who knows what caused it, but I won't send it to Leica unless it plays up again. Good luck with your M-A what ever you decide to do. Regards, Lincoln Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/239783-problem-film-advance-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=2780820'>More sharing options...
ThePioneer Posted March 15, 2015 Share #40 Posted March 15, 2015 Interesting issue. Never had this problem. But film doesn't stay in my Leicas that long either. Something about putting film in a Leica. I just get to feeling all fiddly and anxious feeling if I leave it alone. I just have to go shoot it. I think it is a physical law or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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