ropo54 Posted January 1, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 1, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would appreciate any input regarding selection of X2 vs X 113 vs. Sony RX1. Any reason to own the RX1 along with either the X2 or X113? Upgrade from X2 to X 113? (aside from video capability of the X113). Is there a significant difference in quality of the output? Thanks, Rob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted January 1, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 1, 2015 Rob, welcome to the forum. My advice would be to try these cameras at a dealer. Consulting forum members will, at best, produce diverse and unavoidably subjective answers. Most modern compacts are capable of the highest quality output. But handling is very subjective. Only you can decide what is best for you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted January 1, 2015 Thank you. I actually have the RX1 and think quite highly of it. I am wondering whether the X2 and/or X113 might be preferable options, as I do love the simplicity of the Leica controls. Just am not so sure about the comparative final photographic output. I am looking for subjective responses, particularly from those who might have both. Happy New Year to all. Rob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted January 1, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 1, 2015 Thank you. I actually have the RX1 and think quite highly of it.I am wondering whether the X2 and/or X113 might be preferable options, as I do love the simplicity of the Leica controls. Just am not so sure about the comparative final photographic output. I am looking for subjective responses, particularly from those who might have both. Happy New Year to all. Rob There is no contest as far as (file) output quality is concerned, I'm afraid. The RX1 sensor lens combo is still among the best. The X113 is nice, but nothing of the exceptional. I suggest to read Ming Thein's X113 review who summed it up quite nicely imho. I prefer the handling of the X113, especially the brilliant AF/MF switch implentation, the very mechanical feel of the MF and the distance scale on the MF ring, but not enough to dump the RX1r for it. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted January 1, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 1, 2015 I don't have either, merely have the old X1. I think the discussion is moot however, and difficult to make a logical decision, the Sony is full frame, with a beautiful purpose built fixed lens. The X is similar but APS sized, and an "older" sensor as well. The X2 is older still, but as far as I know the same sensor as the X (and X-Vario). Each has it's pluses/minuses, seems we are spoiled for choice. I do like the (X1) ability to set nearly everything before lifting the camera to the eye. But that's just me. Gary 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck68 Posted January 6, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 6, 2015 Have a look at the a7II with 35mm 2.8 attached, they are really nice, played with one at the dealer, completely differentf feel and build quality than the first version 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted January 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve Huff has raved about the new Sony A7II. I must say however the functional design of the Leica X series is terrific and much more preferable to me than Sony's menu system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted January 6, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2015 If it comes down to image quality, I can't see much in the X 113 to recommend it over the RX1. Having shot with both under the same/similar conditions, the files of the RX1 are simply more robust, more malleable, and of much higher resolution. Dynamic range is higher, colour is very pretty, and you get to enjoy the f2 depth of field. I do like the handling of the X 113, though. It feels very nice in the hand and is much more balanced than the RX1 without a grip. Everything just sits in the hand so nicely with the X 113, which is why I lament the image quality not being up to what I want in a camera of that price. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted January 6, 2015 I suppose RX1 performance in the body of the X113! Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted January 6, 2015 Share #10 Posted January 6, 2015 I suppose RX1 performance in the body of the X113! Rob If the X 113 had been even like the Ricoh GR in terms of image quality, I would be happily enjoying it right now. It blows highlights much too easily, which is strange, given that the X 113 and GR use the same base Sony sensor. The GR has much more bite and microcontrast due to the lack of AA filter, and I suspect something in the way the Ricoh processor handles the raw data. The colours of the X 113, from my limited testing, seemed very nice, especially the skin tones. And fortunately it is quite sharp at f1.7, but still lacks that 'no AA filter bite' of the Ricoh GR, GXR-M module, and Leica M8 and M9. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted January 6, 2015 Archiver, thanks for that review on the 113 vs. Ricoh 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 17, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 17, 2015 Would appreciate any input regarding selection of X2 vs X 113 vs. Sony RX1. Any reason to own the RX1 along with either the X2 or X113? Upgrade from X2 to X 113? (aside from video capability of the X113). Is there a significant difference in quality of the output? Thanks, Rob I have the x2 and once owned the rx1. I guess with the full frame sensor and f2.0 lens rx1 gives you some high iso advantage and also more dof control. I stayed with the x2 because the rx1 was too close to my Leica M+35mm. And the x2 has one big advantage IMO: size; the x2 goes into a pocket of a jacket easy, the rx1 doesnt and the x113 is also somewhat bigger. I dont see much reason to own more than one of these three cameras. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolina Posted January 18, 2015 Share #13 Posted January 18, 2015 Why not the RX1R? If I didn't get the Typ 113 I would go for that instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted January 18, 2015 I ended up purchasing a used Sony RX1. Great price, and I suspect not a whole bunch of difference in performance. Also, have a Leica X2, but the Sony renders better output. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
agfa100 Posted January 18, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 18, 2015 Once you start using the RX-1 it's hard to pick up something else, that lens and sensor together is almost magic. And with the used prices right now it's hard to compare with anything else, best bang for the buck around. wbill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwbs54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 22, 2015 I sold my X2 last month and dying to buy either one of these - X Vario or X Typ 113 or D Lux 109. After reading so many reviews and seeing many pics I've now shortlisted to either the Vario or X Typ 113. Tomorrow is my judgement day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted January 22, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 22, 2015 I sold my X2 last month and dying to buy either one of these - X Vario or X Typ 113 or D Lux 109. After reading so many reviews and seeing many pics I've now shortlisted to either the Vario or X Typ 113. Tomorrow is my judgement day. I have had an X1 for a couple of year, and love it, small light, perfect carry around camera, with IQ to spare. Recently I looked at the newly released T, and nearly bought one, but ended up buying an X Vario. I figured the X Vario would be a nice companion to the X1. Well yesterday I did an impromptu trial, shooting the same scene with the two cameras at the same time, not super accurate but close. The XV shots are slightly nicer, as expected. Not hugely nicer, but a bit. So the X1 is no slouch, but the XV, well I feel it's slightly better. In your case, you had an X2, and are now narrowed down to the X or the XV. The X will be a slightly better X2, where the XV will be slightly more useful in many situations, given the ability to "change" focal lengths. If you are never likely to use anything but the 25mm (35mm equiv) then the X wins. If however you hanker to slightly change things, the XV is the choice. Either way, how can you go wrong? Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil75 Posted January 22, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 22, 2015 As size is nearly equal as is handling, I'd recommend the XV. Pictures are fabulous, and with the zoom the cam is much more versatile. I'll get, however, an X2 or X-E on top to have a smaller, nearly pocket size camera with me in the evenings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicatraveller Posted January 23, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 23, 2015 there is no comparison, the RX1 is a terrific camera with a top performer full frame sensor and one of the sharpest 35mm ever done..... X leica with a 4 years old APSC sensor....what to compare sorry? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 23, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 23, 2015 X2 goes in your jacket pocket RX1 does not. If size isnt important I would take the RX1 (or even better a Leica M with 2 or 3 lenses). If size matters I would go for the X2. RX1 has probably the edge in IQ but X2 isnt bad at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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