phOtOny teXas Posted December 10, 2014 Share #21 Posted December 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) MM YES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Hi phOtOny teXas, Take a look here M9 delamination survey. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jonoslack Posted December 10, 2014 Share #22 Posted December 10, 2014 MM Yes One small spot only - visible at f8 and above - I'll certainly wait and see in case there's a permanant fix. N.B. this is one of the first MM cameras from early 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 10, 2014 Share #23 Posted December 10, 2014 M9 Yes slightly more serious - a thread like structure at the top and a line at the bottom - I'll still wait a bit though - the marks aren't nearly as bad as the dust on the sensor (and that hasn't bothered me). This is one of the very first M9 cameras from mid 2009. Even this is not something I had (or would have) noticed if the issue hadn't been raised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 10, 2014 Share #24 Posted December 10, 2014 I think this news should lift the spirits of most owners and help restore faith in Leica products. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/356487-ccd-sensor-information-leica-camera.html#post2841898 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted December 10, 2014 Share #25 Posted December 10, 2014 My MM purchased in May is good, it's just that the camera has lost value now. How can one be compensated for that? My investment in Leica and MM has just depreciated greatly. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 10, 2014 Share #26 Posted December 10, 2014 My MM purchased in May is good, it's just that the camera has lost value now. How can one be compensated for that? My investment in Leica and MM has just depreciated greatly. K Nobody should consider a digital camera an $$££investment … and any ££$$depreciation is a fact of life and should be taken on the chin. Keep using it and enjoy it … knowing that it's currently the best available digital monochrome camera with, following today's announcement, an extended warranty for the sensor. Your camera still has 29 months of its original warranty and was unlikely to ever appreciate. Nearly all digital cameras depreciate - consider all the pro spec Nikon and Canon DSLR s costing £$'000s a few years ago and now selling for peanuts. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 10, 2014 Share #27 Posted December 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) My MM purchased in May is good, it's just that the camera has lost value now. How can one be compensated for that? My investment in Leica and MM has just depreciated greatly. K How has your camera lost value now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etruscello Posted December 10, 2014 Share #28 Posted December 10, 2014 No, I have an M-E which has never been wet-cleaned, always just a blower with fine results. Please, is there any evidence that wet cleaning is the culprit for those experiencing delamination? Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevidon Posted December 10, 2014 Share #29 Posted December 10, 2014 M9 Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted December 10, 2014 Share #30 Posted December 10, 2014 My MM purchased in May is good, it's just that the camera has lost value now. How can one be compensated for that? My investment in Leica and MM has just depreciated greatly. K Your camera lost value the day you opened the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 10, 2014 Share #31 Posted December 10, 2014 Don't you think that the NO part of the forum will be underrepresented in this survey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 10, 2014 Share #32 Posted December 10, 2014 M9 no M9Px2 no MM yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted December 10, 2014 Share #33 Posted December 10, 2014 No, I have an M-E which has never been wet-cleaned, always just a blower with fine results. Please, is there any evidence that wet cleaning is the culprit for those experiencing delamination? Tom My M9-P has evidence of delamination despite never having been wet cleaned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 11, 2014 Share #34 Posted December 11, 2014 No, I have an M-E which has never been wet-cleaned, always just a blower with fine results. Please, is there any evidence that wet cleaning is the culprit for those experiencing delamination? Tom I don't think so - if you've wet cleaned with isopropanol then it's really unlikely to have caused a problem (that's what Leica use). Humidity might do it, but I suspect it's just luck. But if you don't see problems in your pictures - just relax and enjoy the camera, in the knowledge that if you DO see problems later then they can be fixed. My MM purchased in May is good, it's just that the camera has lost value now. How can one be compensated for that? My investment in Leica and MM has just depreciated greatly. K I would have thought that your MM had just gone up in value with the news that the sensor will be replaced if there is a defect - even outside the warranty period. Which other camera can boast that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted December 11, 2014 Share #35 Posted December 11, 2014 Your camera lost value the day you opened the box. I have to disagree with you Dunk. If I wanted to trade in or sell now, who in their right mind would buy such a camera? I am extremely disappointed and would expect manufactures to do a recall and fix the issue proper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philjh Posted December 11, 2014 Share #36 Posted December 11, 2014 M-E Yes Sept 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted December 11, 2014 Share #37 Posted December 11, 2014 I don't think so - if you've wet cleaned with isopropanol then it's really unlikely to have caused a problem (that's what Leica use). Humidity might do it, but I suspect it's just luck. But if you don't see problems in your pictures - just relax and enjoy the camera, in the knowledge that if you DO see problems later then they can be fixed. I would have thought that your MM had just gone up in value with the news that the sensor will be replaced if there is a defect - even outside the warranty period. Which other camera can boast that? Ha ha, maybe a twist in the tale, maybe Jono. Just imagine those with the Ralph Gibson edition for 28k as an investment or other collector packages ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 11, 2014 Share #38 Posted December 11, 2014 Ha ha, maybe a twist in the tale, maybe Jono. Just imagine those with the Ralph Gibson edition for 28k as an investment or other collector packages ? Well, it seems that they are now guaranteed a sensor replacement IF there is a problem. If I wanted to buy such a thing, then it would increase my confidence. Which other camera manufacturer agrees to replace a sensor out of warranty? I rather regret looking at my cameras (come to think of it I actually have collectable versions of both the MM and the M9 ) because I've noticed no problems shooting with them, but Ithe problem is there on a very small scale. I'm comforted by the fact that whilst using them it's no issue . . . but if i wanted to sell them (they might be worth a bit) then I can have a CLA and a new sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 11, 2014 Share #39 Posted December 11, 2014 Ha ha, maybe a twist in the tale, maybe Jono. Just imagine those with the Ralph Gibson edition for 28k as an investment or other collector packages ? Well, it seems that they are now guaranteed a sensor replacement IF there is a problem. If I wanted to buy such a thing, then it would increase my confidence. Which other camera manufacturer agrees to replace a sensor out of warranty? wanted to buy such a thing, then it would increase my confidence. Which other camera manufacturer agrees to replace a sensor out of warranty? I rather regret looking at my cameras (come to think of it I actually have collectable versions of both the MM and the M9 ) because I've noticed no problems shooting with them, but Ithe problem is there on a very small scale. I'm comforted by the fact that whilst using them it's no issue . . . but if i wanted to sell them (they might be worth a bit) then I can have a CLA and a new sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share #40 Posted December 11, 2014 Don't you think that the NO part of the forum will be underrepresented in this survey? That is always a risk, so I guess it should be taken into consideration. So far 15 yes to 20 no. This ratio seems to be more or less consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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