jaapv Posted November 12, 2014 Share #41 Posted November 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Most people don't have calibrated monitors. Most pictures aren't displayed always under the same unvarying light. Most people use cell phones or small P&S cameras. I don't think the numbers argument is valid here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 12, 2014 Share #42 Posted November 12, 2014 Ruthless editing should apply to any medium, not just slides. We're discussing post processing of presumably worthy pics, not selection. Jaap's processing philosophy (and I suspect his editing as well) hasn't changed; only the tools are different. You, on the other hand, apparently "did a 180". Not that there's anything wrong with that. Jeff Editing is indeed another subject; we can take far more shots than before. I try and avoid overshooting, I feel drowned in images when I do. As for processing philosophy, the investment in time, gear and skills used to be such that only few amateurs went all theN way, quite understandably. Nowadays postprocessing has become so fast and easy that Ansel Adams has become democratised..... And printing and processing have become separate disciplines. Printing like Jeff does I confess to be beyond my skills so for a mounted display print I will use a high end printing service like Whitewall, as they are simply better than I am. But I will include my interpretation of my image in the order, not to leave my vision in the hands of an anonymous technician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 12, 2014 Share #43 Posted November 12, 2014 Printing like Jeff does I confess to be beyond my skills ... Actually it's quite easy, even more for someone with your (dental) professional skills. But I clearly understand the choice to outsource. The main limitation for me is supplies, not the work itself. One needs to decide on materials….mat board, frame, glass, etc…in sizes that suit. (Fortunately, I don't favor huge prints.) Mat cutting is simple on my Logan 650 Framers Edge….no need for some high end automated machine. I stock metal frame parts that require little more than some simple assembly. I can fully frame a print, including cost of all supplies (even estimating ink and paper costs) for under $30, for a finished product that would cost near $200 at a professional frame shop (just for framing, not printing). I could do it for much less, but I like to use good UV glass, which makes a significant difference for final display, as well as high quality mat boards and frame parts. As far as the upfront printing, it seems your PS skills exceed mine, yet my prints still meet my standards, which are high. I think it's more about choice than skill. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 12, 2014 Share #44 Posted November 12, 2014 Well, nowadays there are tons of online postprocessing services...... I've used online printing services, not for postprocessing though. I just uploaded my jpgs to them and they would send me back the prints. Some are better than others as you'd expect, but not always proportional to their prices. More recently I found someone locally who prints for me for just the cost of paper and ink. I come over to his place and and he plugs my SD card into his printer and hits "print", which I think is basically what the online services were doing and charging me ridiculous money for, plus shipping cost which I think they probably took a markup on too. Most people use cell phones or small P&S cameras. I don't think the numbers argument is valid here. Totally not the point, which was that fettering in postprocessing over small discrepancies in WB may be essential for one's own OCD but for all intents and purposes pointless for any use other than perhaps medical or product photography where color calibration is maintained all the way along the chain including the end user. And FYI when I had a darkroom I did used to make my own solutions from the various chemicals vs buying the premade ones. In fact that was the one part of darkroom I did enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 12, 2014 Share #45 Posted November 12, 2014 I come over to his place and and he plugs my SD card into his printer and hits "print", which I think is basically what the online services were doing... Printing to high standard is not plug and play. I could generate dozens of different looking prints from any single one of your files, very quickly making adjustments for each. The actions are easy; making decisions about look and feel is the hardest and most valuable part. Like the surgeon said when questioned about exorbitant bill, "the knife cut cost pennies; knowing where to cut covers the rest". High quality baryta based paper can be bought these days for under a dollar a sheet for 8.5x11, and ink can be bought in bulk. Each print cost is nominal. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 12, 2014 Share #46 Posted November 12, 2014 Printing to high standard is not plug and play. I realize that, but the prints my buddy makes plug and play are the same standard as the ones from online services I used. So the only thing I can conclude is those services were plugging and playing too. And that my jpeg settings play well with printer defaults. And admittedly I'm not anal obsessive-compulsive about print quality because my viewers aren't. They're mostly the type who go "Oh wow, that's a great picture. You must have a really good camera!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 12, 2014 Share #47 Posted November 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yep, we're different animals when it comes to print quality. For me, there's nothing like a print that 'sings' (especially b/w), and often it's the smallest thing that makes it so. Even non-discriminatng viewers recognize something special. To each his own. I had to laugh (literally) today when I read another post of yours…you don't do your own PP, but you do your own camera repairs. We really are different. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 13, 2014 Share #48 Posted November 13, 2014 This discussion has reminded me of the movie Quigley Down Under. Tom Selleck is a crack rifle sniper in the 1800's, hired and brought to Australia by Jeremy Irons. Irons, an afficionado of the American old west art of quick-draw, scoffs at Selleck when he says he never cared much for pistols. After Selleck finds out he was hired to kill aborigines, he refuses. Irons has him beaten and dragged behind a horse, then tosses him a pistol and challenges him to a quick-draw duel. Irons soon finds himself lying shot and dying, and is dumbfounded. Selleck says "I said I don't care for pistols. Never said I couldn't use one." I can PP pretty well after 7 years of doing it. And I do my own Leica repairs...because I don't like being without my camera for months on end and paying a king's ransom for what amounts to a 5-minute job. With other brands that charge reasonable fees and turn them around in a week or two, I wouldn't dream of taking my own time to do it. PS the OP in that thread repaired it himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 13, 2014 Share #49 Posted November 13, 2014 The difference is that Selleck used the pistol, while you'd now rather die. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piblondin Posted March 12, 2015 Share #50 Posted March 12, 2015 Is there a Lightroom preset or camera profile that will produce "vivid color" from DNG files on import? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Morley Posted March 17, 2015 Share #51 Posted March 17, 2015 Is there a Lightroom preset or camera profile that will produce "vivid color" from DNG files on import? I have read reams and reams about this and the various digital 'M' camera colour renditions on this and numerous other forums, and always in full knowledge final colour preference is a highly subjective matter. Having spent my entire working lifetime as a working Pro Photographer for instance loving (even worshiping) Kodachrome I therefore always knew I was never going to like the colour renditions of such as Agfa Colour or whichever Fuji film, and sadly so it is now for me between the M8,M9 and the M240. In short I loved the colour from my M8's, M8.2's and M9's as they for me were akin to Kodachrome and thus required little post processing work on the computer, which in itself I have never much enjoyed, whereas I dislike the M240's out of camera DNG's intensely and regard the jpeg's as being worse than useless. The sad thing however is the M240's are much more usable cameras with so many other benefits if only I could arrive at such as a workable colour correction preset in such as Lightroom or whatever, so please please all do keep trying, and do let the rest of us in on the secret if you do succeed, Thank you. Don. PS. Or maybe I/we should just go back to M9's regardless of the ongoing sensor problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 17, 2015 Share #52 Posted March 17, 2015 Is there a Lightroom preset or camera profile that will produce "vivid color" from DNG files on import? You can make your own preset and then apply it on import. Or, if you like vivid film-like looks, you can buy something like the Replichrome Lightroom presets from Totally Rad and apply one of those on import. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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